On Fri, 8 Sep 1995, Nick Simicich wrote:

> This was a much better list before George joined it.  I hope that he will 
> leave soon. Frankly, I don't care what he knows or what sort of expert he 
> is.  His presence is detrimental to the list.  

It is statements like that, that are going to drive people off of the 
TechDiver list.  In rebuttal:

*The TechDiver list was not "much better" before George joined in, and it 
 will not be "much worse" if he leaves.

*Personally, I hope George does _not_ leave soon.  I know and like George
 just as much as I know and like you, but that does not mean that you two 
 can't and don't contribute to this list.  I hope both of you do not 
 leave this list, and I hope that both of you continue your contributions 
 (good or bad).

*I do care what George knows and what kind of expert he is.  Sure, George 
 is a little "rough" on the list, but his information and views are 
 priceless to this list.  This whole idea of personal views and the 
 spreading of information (good or bad) is the whole idea behind _any_ 
 list on the Internet.

*George's presence is not detrimental to the list.  Anyone who cares to 
 share valid information is not a "detremint" to any list.

> 
> He needs to go away and learn manners and civility.

This list is not about manners or civility.  It's about Technical 
Diving.  From what I have gathered about George, he seems to be a "key" 
individual in a particular aspect of Tech Diving.

This list is very lucky, in that "key" players in the Technical Diving 
community do read and respond to this list.  Hopefully, this list won't 
piss that away due to unecessary whining.

> 
> However, I have a simpler plan.  I'll copy postmaster@pr*.co* every 
> time he posts an abusive, insulting message using foul language.  I 
> urge others to do the same.

You're post was almost valid, up until this point.  Oh no, looks like my 
post was "abusive and insulting" and I'll probably throw in some foul 
language, just because.  Better send a note to postmaster@di*.oc*.wa*.ed*
Oh, hold on, I'll just cc: him on this email for you.  Grow up.

> 
> I considered responding to the invitation I got to attend the UHMS
> conference in Palm Beach.  George, if you are an example of who they let
> present then I feel that I made the proper allocation of my time in not
> going.  Did you stand on stage and insult everyone and everything while 
> presenting almost nothing, using gutter language and invective as you have 
> here?  Or did you save that for the bar?
> 

Sorry, can't respond on Florida issues.  We don't hear too much of 
Florida waaaaay over her in the Paficif Northwest.

> On Fri, 8 Sep 1995, GEORGE M IRVINE III wrote:

"A classic example of Institutionalized Strokery"

Sorry for adding more "noise" to the TechDiver list, but I've been 
"lurking" on this list for a couple years now, and I really don't see any 
difference on the list.  Info comes, and info goes.  Take this list for 
what it is worth, and leave it at that.

OBTechDiver:  One of the local tech stores, here in Seattle, now has a 
full TDI mix instructor, who has a passion (and owns) for rebreathers.  
Seems he did a big stint in the US Navy, and has purchased some of the 
rebreathers for his own teaching/recreational use.  Expect to see Eric 
and myself in some rebreathers in the near future.  As usual, well do our 
reviews, toss in some images, and post it in Erics'(and Parker's)SCUBA 
Page:

http://diver.ocean.washington.edu/rebreather.html

I'll step down from the soap box now.

Thanks for your time,

Michael Parker

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