Dear all..... First of all let me say that my level of experience involving rebreathers is limited to pool use, but like many others I see them as the coming thing. The discussion regarding a safe training regime would seem to go hand in hand with something that I was told by someone, somewhere or other. If these units are fitted with computers to run/manage the systems AND give the user trouble should they try to fire it up after what the system considers to be a considerable time since it was last used, as I belive is the case, then why not extend this to a more formal training arrangement. Whereby the potential user buys/rents the unit of their choice, undergoes practical, theoretical and open water training for X number of hours then goes away and logs say 40 hours within parameters controlled by the system itself, setting maximum depths, times etc. Having achieved these goals, the user recieves part two of his training and a `new chip' that will allow them to procede to further practice thus building on training gradually, with the units computers saying `well, OK if you really want to go down there you can but I'm only with you for the first 60', after that I'm gonna crash and you're gonna be flying on manual'. After a pre arranged number of hours or dive types the user gets the keys for the whole system, and the fun begins. I believe that a similar `dual key' approach is used in the Corvette, The idea being that this thing could kill you so we'll let you get used to it a little at a time. If the novice doesn't make the conditions within a specified time then the unit switches off and can only be re activated by the manufacturer. If they aren't up to it, well they can always arrange a buy back! Assuming the infrastructure exists, the novice user would be obliged to do his first few hours at each stage in the company of a Rebreather IT, not to recieve instruction, but to insure that there is someone present who is familiar with rebreather diving, should things get out of hand. This would allow a gradual increase in experience, whilst not involving the user in 100 hours of intensive training. I suspect that after this amount of diving has been compressed into a short space of time Joe diver will go off with the idea that they've done it all and get into trouble due to their own complacency. You could have different levels, such as these Level 1 qualifies you to do dives for which the training cost $200 Level 2 qualifies you to do dives for which the training cost $400 {:-> etc etc For the absolute PLANK, completely unable to grasp basic principles of gas laws, gas management, emergency procedures then we are back at the point of asking why they were certified in the first instance and feeling safe to a degree when it comes to a refusal to certify again because the MANUFACTURERS criteria were not met. I guess it's up to the cert agencies to get together with the makers and thrash out some kind of agreed training routine. I have heard of this business of students getting pissed because a instructor will not certify, I'll bet driving instructors don't get this problem, because the instruction and testing were not carried out by the same organisation. So it's not seen as the instructors fault if the student doesn't come up to scratch. Perhaps a way out would be to insist that students pass a `test' set by the manufacturers, not by the ultimate cert agency. As with driving, it's the training you pay for, not the qualification. peter.......... <PETER.LOADER@BB*.AC*.UK*> Willing to be given a rebreather if one of you guys wants it tested to destruction. Just let me know when it'll be coming so I can be at home. Just one thing that worries me....this `lifetime' warranty thing. Failing that just send the purchase price in small bills. My credits good. Feel free to abuse me, if my views differ from REALITY in any way what so ever.
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