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Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 06:32:18 +22305714 (HST)
From: Richard Pyle <deepreef@bi*.bi*.Ha*.Or*>
Subject: Re: rebreather screening
To: Dan Volker <dlv@ga*.ne*>
Cc: techdiver@terra.net

Hi Dan,

As I said, I have no experience whatsoever with semi-closed rebreathers,
so most of my comments were focused on fully-closed systems.  I agree that
the risk of hypoxia is probably much less of a concern on most semi-closed
designs than it is on fully-closed systems ('though I'm not yet convinced
it is a non-issue), and I am sure the risk differs from design to design.

There is still the concern of hypercapnia, which I didn't even go into,
and loop floods and so on.  I realize that these problems are more
self-evident (in general) than hypoxia or oxygen toxicity, but they still
require some training time.  I have to say I certainly wouldn't be
comfortable making my first rebreather dive to 90 feet, and I doubt I'd
want to do any decompression diving with a semi-closed rebreather (perhaps
I'd change my mind after I had some experience with it), but without more
knowledge and experience with these different units, I'm not really in a
position to comment either way.

> survive in a pool by themselves, and probably on an easy ocean dive. With 
> the rebreather (BMD, Odyssey or other similar unit)MANY easy dives will have 
> to be undertaken to develop new reflexes, just like the new scuba diver. 
> Again, I think without an instructor along, a pony bottle might make a great 
> safety move. With the weight and bulk of the units, the tiny bit of drag 
> you'd add would be negligable. Since you could'nt pass out from hypoxia, the 
> out of air failure would be simple to compensate for. And once you became 
> proficient after 150 or 200 dives, you could leave behind your training 
> wheels(pony).
> 
> So what do you think ?

You have more experience with semi-closed diving than I do, so I'm more
interested in what your opinions are.  When you refer to the pony bottle,
would this be the only means of OC bailout, or just a supplementary one? I
think you would always want an open circuit route to the surface on any
dive in the event of a non-recoverable loop flood. It seems to me that
limiting OC bailout to onboard cylinders would be dangerous if a problem
occurred near the end of the dive.

I have a question.  If I understand the compound bellows principle, the
purged gas is contained within a bellows that is inside the main
counterlung, correct?  If so, what happens when there is a rupture in the
inner bellows membrane?  Is it possible that considerable quantities of
gas bypasses the exaust system? 

Thanks for your input.

Aloha,
Rich


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