--========================_4004988==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Devon, I think you have a valid concern when discussing the tendency of the Draeger (and most other current rebreathers with or without computers) to add gas (or shut off) independently of the diver's needs or control. At the recent UHMS meeting in Palm Beach, FL. one of the discussions I overheard concerned the gas addition mechanisms of rebreathers. The terminology used by Dr. Morgan Wells and others was "active" vs. "Passive". The issues that were discussed as potential rebreather problems were: hyperoxia, hypoxia, and scrubber-related hypercapnia. What happens with malfunctions? What happens if O2 sensors are inaccurate (highly likely since they can't be calibrated above 1.0 ATA without a chamber and are in a constant state of degradation). Are we supposed to bring chambers along on every dive so we know the electronic units are doing appropriate things to our gas supply? To quote Jack Kellon, the developer of the RBC Odyssey and one of the persons attending at UHMS: "The degree to which these problems are present in a recirculating breathing system depends on whether the system Is: A. An active addition system, in which the addition mechanism operates independently of the counterlung gas volume available to be rebreathed. OR B. A passive addition system, in which addition is effected by a demand regulator that replaces the shortfall in a counterlung casued by control of the previous exhalation. Kellon and Wells indicated that a passive system would be safer in that hypoia and hyperoxia of the type you discussed could not occur. As far as I know no papers have come out concerning this but the logic is unassailable. Consider the "insidious death" navy divers used to toast drinks to before missions. It's now loosely (and more politically correct) defined as "spontaneous unconsciousness" . Whatever we call it the cause was likely either hypoxia or hyperoxia and the result was death. The fact that highly trained navy divers could succumb makes one pause since they have always used active addition rebreather systems similar to the Draeger, Prism, and Oceanic (since no alternative existed at that time). I've attached portions of an article Mr. Kellon says will be published soon. In it he discusses the issues you raise and which absolutely must be brought out before the recreational/technical birth of rebreathers turns into a stillborn child. I've also attached a document showing the specs of a passive system rebreather, the RBC Odyssey. Dave --========================_4004988==_ Content-Type: text/plain; name="RbrSafe.txt"; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="RbrSafe.txt" "Safety Considerations In The Use of Rebreathers By The Technical Diving Community" J.Kellon I've had numerous discussions lately with long time military and scientific users of rebreathers that are now involved with the technical diving community. The consensus of opinion is that although there are some very qualified and capable divers out there, the community as a whole lacks the level of ongoing training, discipline and level of support (including diving operations officers to conduct rebreather operations that any of us would consider acceptably structured and within the bounds of reasonable risk. My personal view is that hyperoxia can be reduced through avoidance of any system that has a separate oxygen supply and hypoxia can be reduced through avoidance of any system that has a separate oxygen supply and hypoxia can be reduced through avoidance of active addition systems. Intensive high quality training with some type of periodic recertification or review requirement is also high on my list. Even with these constraints, risk management still needs a considerable boost in this community. Hopefully, we can minimize the number and severity of inevitable accidents that will occur as this technology reaches a less disciplined group of users. There are three basic fatality-inducing conditions that are peculiar to rebreathers: 1. Hyperoxia (excess oxygen reactions) due to system malfunctions. 2. Hypoxia (insufficient oxygen reactions) due to system malfunctions or rapid ascents. 3. Scrubber related hypercapnia (excess carbon dioxide reactions). The degree to which these problems are present in a recirculating breathing system depends on whether the system is: A. An active addition system, in which the addition mechanism operates independently of the counterlung gas volume available to be rebreathed. OR B. A passive addition system, in which addition is effected by a demand regulator that replaces the shortfall in a counterlung caused by control of the previous exhalation. NOTE: A third consideration that affects the diver's operation of both the above categories of systems is complexity. The more complex the system, the more likely a failure will occur. In addition, some of the more complex closed circuit systems (electronic oxygen controllers) have caused accidents because of the diver's ability to activate an oxygen manual addition valve while having less than full usage of his reasoning ability. 1. Rebreather divers are subject to the same time and depth restrictions for oxygen partial pressures that open circuit divers must adhere to, but the rebreather diver is subject also to equipment induced hyperoxia. This is a particular danger in electronic, active addition, closed circuit mixed gas units. Aside from basic electronic malfunctions, hyperoxia with these units becomes more and more possible as the trend toward using higher oxygen partial pressure set points (the point at which oxygen addition ceases) escalates. Oxygen sensors should be calibrated before every dive because they are constantly degrading with use (similar to a battery), but can only be calibrated to 1 ATA without hyperbaric equipment (such as a chamber). When set points such as 1.4 or 1.6 are used, the danger exists that the sensor(s) are not capable of producing the electrical potential necessary to satisfy the set point value. The result is that the unit will inject oxygen into the system at regular intervals (generally every five seconds) with resulting hyperoxia. Central nervous system oxygen poisoning usually leads to convulsions that take several minutes to abate even when the cause is removed. Plenty of time to drown in. SOLUTION: The only sure solution is not to use mixed gas units that have a separate oxygen supply. 2. Hypoxia is a condition that occurs all too often in active addition systems. Active addition systems are those that, both closed and semi-closed, rely on the control mechanism to add the oxygen necessary to meet the metabolic demands of the diver. Unfortunately, at a steady depth or on ascent, the diver will be able to breathe normally even though an oxygen addition malfunction has occurred. This is possible because carbon dioxide is still being removed and the diver still has a full counterlung to breathe in and out of. The result is a degrading oxygen partial pressure in the counterlung(s) that usually leads to spontaneous unconsciousness. In addition, oxygen partial pressures that are safe at depth can cause hypoxia on ascent if the addition method has failed. Fixed orifice, variable orifice and mass flow injection systems, and all electronic mixed gas closed circuit systems are active addition systems and subject to the problems described in the preceding paragraph. Hypoxia is the condition, because of spontaneous or near spontaneous blackouts, that has traditionally given recirculating breathing systems a bad name. While this image is well deserved for active addition units, passive addition systems should not be painted with the same brush. SOLUTION: The only sure solution is to use passive addition rebreathers. These units rely on the lack of a full breath when the diver inhales to passively add oxygen, nitrox, heliox or trimix to the breathing loop with a standard demand regulator. If gas addition fails to occur, each successive breath after the failure will be shorted, thus giving the diver the same warning that he would get with open circuit SCUBA, but less abruptly. In fully closed circuit oxygen rebreathers, addition occurs when metabolic activity has depleted the counterlung contents. These units are very reliable when proper counterlung purging and depth limitation requirements are observed. If automatic addition does not occur, the diver is again warned of the failure by the inability to get a full breath from the counterlung. In semi-closed circuit rebreathers passive addition is achieved by controlling the diver's exhalation. There is a French unit that was designed for military use that expels 20% of every breath into the water with a double bellows arrangement. There is a Canadian unit that was designed for pipe penetration bailouts that expels 25% of every breath with a spring-loaded proportional discharge valve. The U.S. built RBC Odyssey was designed for the civilian tech/scientific/photographic/cave/wreck/advanced deep diving community and expels 20% of every breath at the surface and less with depth because the unit is depth compensated to optimize gas efficiency. None of these units will cause hypoxia as a result of ascents. All of these units are keyed to the diver's respiratory minute volume to tighten oxygen partial pressure control. All of these units will warn the diver through successive shortness of breath if an addition failure has occurred. All the units in the preceding paragraph are absolutely silent in the water unless counterlung overpressures created by very rapid ascent are vented. The amount of gas discharged by the control mechanisms is too small to be audible. All passive addition units vent less overpressure gas on ascent that active addition systems if the diver is breathing normally. 3. All rebreathers share the problem of hypercapnia. Sloppy scrubber packs, improperly stored absorbents, breathing loop water leaks at loose fittings and divers trying to exceed the scrubber's rated time limits are all contributing factors. Semi-closed passive addition systems (which discharge upstream of the scrubber) have an advantage here because the discharged gasses don't have to be scrubbed, thereby extending absorbent life. The onset of hypercapnia is relatively easy for a well-trained rebreather diver to identify, primarily as a result of the increased breathing rate. A side issue here is "caustic cocktails", the ingestion of water that has entered the breathing loop and been passed through a highly alkaline scrubber bed, some materials being more alkaline than others. At this point the loss of scrubber efficiency due to flooding becomes moot. One of the attractions of some semi-closed units is that they allow outside sources such travel and decompression gases to be run through the recirculation loop, thus requiring smaller cylinders. The same sort of organization on the divers part is required here that would be required on open circuit equipment to keep from inadvertently breathing a gas that would cause either hyperoxia or hypoxia at the depth the change is made. As a rebreather designer with over thirty years of experience in the field, I'd like to make some basic points that should be considered by every prospective rebreather user: 1. No single unit is a panacea. Rebreathers should be chosen just as carefully as technical divers choose their mixes, equipment and procedures for any given dive. 2. By virtue of varying degrees of additional complexity and the possibility of breathing a mixture from the counterlung that can cause unconsciousness, rebreathers should be treated as tools that allow the user to accomplish a desired goal that would not be practical or even possible with open circuit equipment. In other words, REBREATHERS ARE NOT TOYS. They can allow scientists, photographers and overhead environment divers to accomplish remarkable thins, but they should not be purchased or used to enhance one's self-image. The trivial gain is not adequately offset by the additional risks. 3. The most rigorous training possible should be sought by the prospective rebreather user, both from the manufacturer and nationally recognized technical diver training groups. Knowledge, attitude and attention to detail are more important to the diver's well-being in rebreather operations than in any other type of diving. Please dive safely. --========================_4004988==_ Content-Type: text/plain; name="SpecOdy.txt"; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="SpecOdy.txt" RBC Odyssey Passive Addition Semi-Closed Circuit Rebreather General specifications Method of Operation: The "Odyssey" passive addition semi-closed circuit rebreathers were designed to be used with a single gas source of nitrox or trimix containing not less than 32% oxygen when being breathed at the surface. Using this gas composition, the units are approximately five times more efficient in gas utilization than open circuit equipment AT THE SURFACE. The relative efficiency ratio increases with depth. The addition mechanism is keyed to respiratory minute volume. The units utilize an all new operating system that, unlike all other semi-closed systems, is based on an automatic depth adjusting compound bellows. The depth adjustment not only keeps both the primary and secondary counterlungs equalized during depth increases, but also changes the ratio between them. Thus, at the surface, approximately 1/5 of every breath is discharged to ambient, to be replaced by a demand regulator on the subsequent inhalation (passive addition). At 2 ATA this becomes 1/10, at 3 ATA 1/15, etcetera. This feature makes the Odyssey more efficient than any other semi-closed rebreather and approaches the efficiency of mixed gas closed units while eliminating the possibility of hyperoxia due to electronic, solenoid, regulator or bypass valve failure. The possibility of spontaneous unconsciousness due to undetected hypoxia is greatly reduced because failure of the passive addition will result in the diver getting less gas with each successive breath, thus providing the same type of warning the diver would experience when open circuit equipment fails to deliver gas. The units maintain a counterlung oxygen percentage of 22% to 24%, depending on the diver, regardless of depth, with a NOAA Nitrox I (32% oxygen) supply. It is recommended that oxygen exposures by calculated based on 25% O2 and nitrogen decompression exposures be calculated based on air. This will change with other supply mixes. FEATURES: * 4 lb. to 8 lb. "Convertible" scrubber delivered standard. Other sizes available on request. This is a side full scrubber. It is exceptionally easy to fill or clean. * 28 cu. ft. or 56 cu. ft. gas supply delivered standard. Other sizes available on request. * Standard "Wings-type" BCD to be mounted on unit. Other BCD's are optional. * Gas fill port can be used to mount bailout regulator. * Breathing loop adjustable over-pressure valve and adjustable regulator can be reached without removing case cover. * Hinged cover for easy scrubber access. * Counterlung is weighted to minimize breathing effort variation during diver attitude changes. * Counterlung plus all gas discharge and addition components are located within and protected by the case. * Unit is neutrally buoyant and evenly trimmed. * 1 year parts and labor warranty, exclusive of transportation costs. * Fast service turnaround. * Separate PPO2 analyzer included in base price. TRAINING: Unit-specific training is provided by the dealer and included in the base price of $8,500. Buyers are required to satisfactorily complete a Rebreather physics and physiology course from a recognized technical diver training organization such as the International Association of Nitrox and Technical Divers (IANTD) or the Professional Scuba Association (PSA) prior to delivery of the unit. --========================_4004988==_--
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