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Mike....Got this privately, also I will have to send you the article in a PFD in private, then you can place it on your site if you want.....it is kinda large. >FYI - There was a Clayton/Gentile trip to the New Jersey in October 1994. I was on that dive. We went out on the Lindsey not with Artie. We did dive on the wreck not a debris field. All in all it was a terrific dive. Ken and Gary Gentile have dived all of the Mitchell wrecks. I wish I could say the same but the Virginia is the one I missed. I had a big blow up with Ken before the 1993 Virginia trip. I missed my chance. At 09:40 PM 8/6/03 -0400, Capt JT wrote: >For some reason I still think he has dived it........it would be unlike >him to let one slip away. I will try to scan in the article later this >week and put it on a page....it will not be linked to my site, but I will >post where it is at and keep it out there for a week. > > > At 06:46 PM 8/6/03 -0400, Michael Barnette wrote: >>Thanks for the info. Everyone that I talked to said no one had been to the >>Virginia, not that it matters. Artie took out Ken et al. to the New Jersey >>where they hit the debris field. Mike and Doug had a solid dive on the New >>Jersey a year or two later. I think as far as everyone knows, those are the >>only dives on the NJ; those two dives are recorded in the "rafters" of >>Artie's boat. >>All things considered, the New Jersey may be a better dive since it didn't >>get whacked as hard by the bombers, and you can get more time on it. Any >>chance you can scan in the story and post it on your website? I would love >>to read about those early dives. >>Cheers, >>Mike >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*> >>To: "VBTech list" <VBTech@ci*.co*> >>Cc: "Michael Barnette" <barney00@ta*.rr*.co*> >>Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 6:48 PM >>Subject: Re: U.S.S. Virginia >> >> >> > At 06:43 PM 8/6/03 -0400, Capt JT wrote: >> > >Mike.....check an old Mag of DeepTech issue 15 for the facts...... >> > >> > Mike.....I just pulled it out and I notice Ken has used special wording >> > when he wrote the story.....saying he was Providentially favored to be the >> > only one to dive all ten ships......which means you guys may be the first >> > to dive it and I will be the first to dive all ten.....very interesting >> > indeed. >> > >> > >> > >At 06:23 PM 8/6/03 -0400, Michael Barnette wrote: >> > >>Thanks for the info. This will be news to a lot of people. >> > >>Cheers, >> > >>Mike >> > >> >> > >>----- Original Message ----- >> > >>From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*> >> > >>To: "Michael Barnette" <barney00@ta*.rr*.co*>; "VBTech list" >> > >><VBTech@ci*.co*> >> > >>Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com> >> > >>Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 6:36 PM >> > >>Subject: Re: U.S.S. Virginia >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > Ken is the only one to have dived all 10 of the Billy Mitchell >> > >> > Fleet........it took him 10 years to do it. I need to dive only 3 >>more and >> > >> > I will have done it in 5 years. I have dived several of them more >>than >> > >> > once.....no one has dived the Ostfriesland more than Rick and I....no >>brag >> > >> > just fact. I do believe that it was Roger Huffman took Ken to the >> > >>Virginia, >> > >> > but I could be wrong on that. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > At 06:03 PM 8/6/03 -0400, Michael Barnette wrote: >> > >> > >I am simply using the depths obtained via our bottom timers as a >> > >>reference, >> > >> > >in order to avoid the differences in depth standards (boat depth >> > >>recorder, >> > >> > >FW versus SW, etc.). What boat did Ken dive the Virginia off of? >> > >> > >Interesting. I know he did the New Jersey, but everyone told us >>that no >> > >>one >> > >> > >had been to the Virginia yet. We wanted to hit the New Jersey too, >>but >> > >>the >> > >> > >weather earlier in the week really did not cooperate for all the >>dives we >> > >> > >had planned. >> > >> > >Hasta, >> > >> > >Mike >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >----- Original Message ----- >> > >> > >From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*> >> > >> > >To: "Michael Barnette" <barney00@ta*.rr*.co*>; "VBTech list" >> > >> > ><VBTech@ci*.co*> >> > >> > >Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com> >> > >> > >Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 6:08 PM >> > >> > >Subject: Re: U.S.S. Virginia >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Mike, it was not a troll. Call the guy, he gave his phone number >>for >> > >>the >> > >> > > > story. I have removed his email as I am sure he has no interest >>in the >> > >> > >dick >> > >> > > > waving. I heard of the incident but no name was given to me who >>it >> > >>was. As >> > >> > > > for the depths......those depths came from Ken Clayton. He will >>be >> > >>quick >> > >> > >to >> > >> > > > tell you that you have not calculated the error of your depth >>gauges >> > >>as >> > >> > > > most are calibrated for FW. You can bet your ass he has done his >>and >> > >>stuck >> > >> > > > his hand in the deepest washout of the wreck......so no one can >>say >> > >>they >> > >> > > > hit a deeper spot than him. >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > At 05:36 PM 8/6/03 -0400, Michael Barnette wrote: >> > >> > > > >Good timing (and trolling) JT. Yes, you are correct about the >> > >>incident. >> > >> > > > >However, it had nothing to do with current, as there has been a >> > >>general >> > >> > > > >absence of current in Hatteras this year. >> > >> > > > >The incident occurred due to a freak front that moved through, >>with >> > >>the >> > >> > > > >weather quickly changing from stable 3-foot seas and 10 knot >>winds, >> > >>to >> > >> > >10-12 >> > >> > > > >foot spilling seas and 20-25 knot winds. Couple that with our >>boat >> > >> > >breaking >> > >> > > > >a throttle cable that disabled it for an extended duration while >>we >> > >>were >> > >> > >on >> > >> > > > >deco, which prompted our captain to wisely call in our friends >>on the >> > >>R/V >> > >> > > > >Cape Fear, who were just leaving the U.S.S. Monitor site. They >>did a >> > >> > >great >> > >> > > > >job of negotiating the rough seas and picking us up; it was nice >>to >> > >>see >> > >> > >so >> > >> > > > >many familiar faces in a situation like that. >> > >> > > > >The dive itself went great, as we had zero current and >>incredibly >> > >>clear >> > >> > > > >water on the bottom. It was phenomenal! In spite of the damage >> > >> > >inflicted >> > >> > > > >by Mitchell to the superstructure of the Virginia, the hull >>itself is >> > >> > >pretty >> > >> > > > >damn solid. There is one area on the starboard side near the >>stern >> > >>that >> > >> > >has >> > >> > > > >a significant amount of damage. You could scooter right into >>the >> > >> > >interior >> > >> > > > >of the ship, and brass artifacts such as bomb-proof lights >>(ironic) >> > >>were >> > >> > > > >still attached to bulkheads. The running gear of the Virginia >>looked >> > >>to >> > >> > > > >have been removed prior to its sinking (no rudder, struts, >>shaft, or >> > >> > >props). >> > >> > > > >Big warsaw grouper on the wreck too. >> > >> > > > >I have just added some video clips to the AUE website if you >>want to >> > >>see >> > >> > >the >> > >> > > > >wreck for yourself. >> > >> > > > >http://www.mikey.net/aue/theater.htm >> > >> > > > >The actual footage will also be available for anyone visiting >>the >> > >> > >Graveyard >> > >> > > > >of the Atlantic Museum in Hatteras; they have the start of a >>nice >> > >>display >> > >> > >on >> > >> > > > >Billy Mitchell and the sinkings of the Virginia and New Jersey. >> > >> > > > >BTW, the Virginia is deeper than 390fsw, as we hit 397fsw and we >>were >> > >> > >still >> > >> > > > >well off the bottom; the wreck sits in a huge washout, testament >>to >> > >>the >> > >> > > > >strong currents that run over the wreck. >> > >> > > > >Cheers, >> > >> > > > >Mike >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > >----- Original Message ----- >> > >> > > > >From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*> >> > >> > > > >To: "VBTech list" <VBTech@ci*.co*> >> > >> > > > >Cc: <clark@bu*.co*>; <techdiver@aquanaut.com> >> > >> > > > >Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 4:50 PM >> > >> > > > >Subject: Re: Have you dived the battleship USS New Jersey? >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > At 10:21 AM 8/6/03 -0600, you wrote: >> > >> > > > > > >Hello. I work for a newspaper in New Jersey called the >> > >>Courier-Post. >> > >> > > > >We're >> > >> > > > > > >writing a story about the original battleship USS New Jersey >>that >> > >>was >> > >> > > > >sunk 3 >> > >> > > > > > >miles off of Cape Hatteras in 1923. I was trying to find >>someone >> > >>who >> > >> > >has >> > >> > > > > > >dived >> > >> > > > > > >down to that ship. >> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >Have you done that? Or do you know of someone who has? >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > Hi Clark >> > >> > > > > > I have not dived the wreck New Jersey yet, it rest in 335fsw >>very >> > >> > >close to >> > >> > > > > > the Virginia which rest in 390fsw. I have added several NG >>list to >> > >> > >this >> > >> > > > > > email as I know of several divers who have dived those wrecks >>and >> > >>are >> > >> > > > > > members of those list and I'm sure they will contact you >> > >>privately. I >> > >> > >do >> > >> > > > > > know that these wrecks lay in high current water and that >>just >> > >> > >recently >> > >> > > > > > I've been told a group tried to dive one of those wrecks and >>had >> > >>to be >> > >> > > > > > rescued by another boat other than the one they were diving >>from, >> > >> > >those >> > >> > > > > > wrecks are best dived in the spring and fall when the current >>is >> > >>not >> > >> > >as >> > >> > > > > > strong I been told by the local Captains. >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > Hope this helps with your story >> > >> > > > > > Capt JT >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >It's very deep - 300 feet or so - which I know is much >>deeper >> > >>than >> > >> > >the >> > >> > > > > > >average >> > >> > > > > > >diver would go. >> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. >> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >Clark Perks >> > >> > > > > > >The Courier-Post >> > >> > > > > > >856-486-2956 (work) >> > >> > > > > > >856-983-1884 (home) >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > "You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have >>to >> > >>get >> > >> > >in >> > >> > > > >the >> > >> > > > > > water" >> > >> > > > > > Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more >> > >> > > > > > Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/ >> > >> > > > > > Email captjt@mi*.co* >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > > > >------- >> > >> > > > > > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> > >> > > > > > the mailing list <VBTech@ci*.co*>. >> > >> > > > > > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: <VBTech-off@ci*.co*> >> > >> > > > > > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to >> > >> > ><VBTech-digest@ci*.co*> >> > >> > > > > > To switch to the INDEX mode, E-mail to >> > >><VBTech-index@ci*.co*> >> > >> > > > > > Send administrative queries to >><VBTech-request@ci*.co*> >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > "You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to >>get >> > >>in >> > >> > >the >> > >> > > > water" >> > >> > > > Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more >> > >> > > > Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/ >> > >> > > > Email captjt@mi*.co* >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > "You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get >>in >> > >>the >> > >> > water" >> > >> > Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more >> > >> > Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/ >> > >> > Email captjt@mi*.co* >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in >> > >the water" >> > >Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more >> > > Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/ >> > >Email captjt@mi*.co* >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >------ >> > >This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> > > the mailing list <VBTech@ci*.co*>. >> > >To unsubscribe, E-mail to: <VBTech-off@ci*.co*> >> > >To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to <VBTech-digest@ci*.co*> >> > >To switch to the INDEX mode, E-mail to <VBTech-index@ci*.co*> >> > >Send administrative queries to <VBTech-request@ci*.co*> >> > >> > >> > "You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in >>the >> > water" >> > Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more >> > Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/ >> > Email captjt@mi*.co* >> > >> > >> > >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>------- >> > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> > the mailing list <VBTech@ci*.co*>. >> > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: <VBTech-off@ci*.co*> >> > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to <VBTech-digest@ci*.co*> >> > To switch to the INDEX mode, E-mail to <VBTech-index@ci*.co*> >> > Send administrative queries to <VBTech-request@ci*.co*> >> > >> > > > >"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in >the water" >Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more > Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/ >Email captjt@mi*.co* > > >-- >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. 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