George,
 I agree with you, I'm not trying to argue I know that would be stupid.
Brian Hunter

-----Original Message-----
From: George Irvine [mailto:trey@my*.ne*] 
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 10:55 AM
To: Brian Hunter; 'Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com'
Subject: RE: [dir-asia] Digest Number 102

Brian, the rebreather ( piece of shit that it is ) did not kill this guy
at
depth. It killed him the same way all of them, including the one I use,
will
kill you.

What happened is that this guy violated Rule Number One, but was dealing
with people whom that rule is designed to avoid, so there is no surprise
in
anything that happened here. These strokes , or at least the one in
charge ,
are IANTD instructors who were doing the same thing, so if this guy was
relying on them for direction he was out of luck.

Look at it this way: what if Jarrod Jablonski told students to do the
things
these guys are doing, or behaved this way, or left his buddy or students
in
the water by themselves? What kind of example would that set? What kind
of
results would he get?

You of course would say, "That is ridiculous! Nobody of Jarrod's caliber
would do anything like that".



-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Hunter [mailto:hunter49689@co*.ne*]
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 10:30 AM
To: 'George Irvine'; girvine@be*.ne*; 'Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com'
Subject: RE: [dir-asia] Digest Number 102


   George,
 You're not telling me any thing I don't already know. IANTD and TDI are
idiots, but as I said in the last email if you read the owners manual
and it says not to use past a certain depth and someone wants you to you
simply thumb it and never dive with these strokes again. People MUST
take some responsibility for their own actions. The only person that can
look out for your safety 100% is your self.
 Brian Hunter


-----Original Message-----
From: George Irvine [mailto:trey@my*.ne*]
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 7:35 AM
To: Brian Hunter; girvine@be*.ne*; 'Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com'
Subject: RE: [dir-asia] Digest Number 102

Brian, these IANTD strokes can't even get what is on page one of any
PADI
manual - the buddy system. They think it means "Buddy Inspiration". I
can
not believe Joe Ditturi is "training director" and presides over this
collection of clowns. Of course, it is Mouth who is responsible for the
attitude of these big tough guys, not Ditturi, but as we can see, Mouth
is
pushing it off on Ditturi.

This who incident just exemplifies what a stroke is ( that IANTD
"instructor"), typified what is wrong with dive instruction and tech
diving,
and the part that none of these IANTD morons or other strokes get is
that
even the dead guy's wife, who says she is not a diver, clearly sees all
the
issues that any 5 year old child could understand in this situation.

That organization and the next one down the food chain ( TDI ) - if you
can
indeed rank idiocy, mediocrity, lack of integrity, and level of cavalier
attitude about human life - need a wakeup call, and everyone who is
participating in and or supporting these morons is part of the problem.

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Hunter [mailto:hunter49689@co*.ne*]
Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 10:47 PM
To: girvine@be*.ne*; 'Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com'
Subject: RE: [dir-asia] Digest Number 102


 Sounds to me like the diver should have took some responsibility and
not participate in the dive, if he read the owners manual.
 Of course we all (SHOULD) know that IANTD is the biggest group of
idiots in the training business.
 I hate to hear of anyone dieing but come on use some common sense, if
the manual says not to take the unit past 130fsw don't do it! 99% of
YOUR safety is common sense.
 Brian Hunter


a. dive in excess of 200 feet;
b. perform a staged decompression dive without any formal training or
certification; and
c. ignore, or failed to supervise, the rebreather manufacturer's written
instructions on depth limits and oxygen mixture levels, were in fact
heeded and observed. (To quote the owners manual, "it is designed and
manufactured for recreational diving, and MUST NOT be used at depths
greater than 130 feet or for staged decompression diving").

5) On this same trip, there were also at least three other separate
rebreather dives my husband Julian carried out with Mr. Santos prior to
this last tragic dive, that were also made at depths beyond the
rebreather manufacturers warnings and limits.




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