Again you can't tell the truth, he came up with that crap before we even 
got in the water......but if the "Cockroach Theory" is true he better start 
letting the cockroach teach the GUE instructors since the only one who has 
tried a 500ft dive spent some time in a chamber with his buddy and they 
were lucky.


   At 06:39 AM 3/20/03 -0500, George Irvine wrote:

>JT, you are not dead because you don't dive often enough and when you do,
>the CF usually ends the dive before too much more can snowball. You prompted
>Andrew Georgitsis to come up with the "Cockroach Theory" of diving, which he
>claims is the only explanation for you being alive after he saw you in
>action.
>
>We all know you only tell the truth, so we do believe you when you say you
>are a dumbfuck and we do believe you when you say you were not diving with
>Christina on her RB in that story on here website. We all know she is a liar
>( especially about the "Christina" part). Must be a Photo Shop trick. After
>all, she was not actually your buddy, just part of your Star Wars Bar Scene,
>which we all know would not be complete without "Christina" and that other
>idiot.
>
>Separately, I totally agree with you on your assessment below of rebreathers
>and rebreather divers. Now, if only you could get the other 99% of what you
>think you are practicing - especially the part about not talking like a
>stroke about your bullshit "deep diving".
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]
>Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 7:31 PM
>To: Joe; techdiver@aquanaut.com
>Subject: Re: Nic Gotto Inquest
>
>
>
>Everyone of you out there who thinks I'm an asshole and some kind of dumb
>fuck. Check these facts out.
>You don't see me diving a RB do you and I ain't dead either am I. I
>challenge anyone to prove I have even dived with a buddy who was on a RB of
>any kind. On trips I organize there are only a select few I let on with a
>RB and then I have certain rules they must agree to and they were getting
>it done on OC before they got a RB. Most of the divers buying these damn
>things can't dive to began with and hope it will make them something they
>are not, what they are is a moron and an accident waiting to happen. Not
>because the units are total pieces of shit, because the guys who die don't
>know when to say NO, don't follow the rules, and couldn't get it done on OC.
>
>BTW way this is how you spell Lynnhaven........
>
>and have a nice day
>
>
>
>
>At 05:15 PM 3/18/03 -0800, Joe wrote:
> >JT, it is no wonder so many of the VB people, the Lyndhaven Dive Center and
> >the Miss Lindsey are all trying to distance themselves from you.  Your
> >arrogance is only surpassed by your ignorance.  Not everyone in this sport
> >is 3rd grade educated and needs someone to read, write and think for them.
> >Instead of worrying about what this woman who lost her husband was involved
> >in you should hire someone to muzzle that ignorant mouth.
> >
> >This latest blurb of heartless stupidity tops them all.  I am amazed that
> >your VB Tech buddies, who seem to be a decent bunch, haven't come on here
> >and pounded you into the dirt for attacking a woman selfless enough to
> >re-live her horror speaking her mind in an effort to save others from the
> >fate her husband suffered.  You are out of line and owe her an apology.
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Michelle" <lisa3@ch*.co*>
> >To: <captjt@mi*.co*>
> >Cc: <lisa3@ch*.co*>; <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> >Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 11:34 PM
> >Subject: RE: Nic Gotto Inquest
> >
> >
> > > How dare you try to blame Paul's death on me.
> > >
> > > Paul was highly inteligent and electronically and computer minded. He
>was
> >an IT expert. He also was an adult used to making his own choices.
> > >
> > > We discussed on a number of occasions the problems he had had with his
> >original unit. Numerous and often there seemed no obvious way to relate
>them
> >to each other. He watched the handsets like a hawk and was meticulous in
>its
> >mainanance. Unfortunately he also beleived that when he had a replacement
> >unit - after much heated discussion with AP, this second unit appeared to
>be
> >problem free and working as expected. I have the email he sent to martin
> >Parker stating the unit now was working as expected - so it seemed.
> > > He made a number of succesful dives on this second unit without problem
>so
> >put his original problems down to having been suplied 'a lemon'.
> > >
> > > He had a great deal of respect for the unit and used it with great
> >caution. Obviously this was not enough.
> > >
> > > On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 20:26:57 -0500 Capt JT <captjt@mi*.co*>
>wrote:
> > > Michelle, I have only one question for you................Why did you
>wait
> > > until Paul died to get involved in what he was doing. quote "Paul had
>had
> > > no end of problems with the unit".......so you knew something was not
> >right.
> > >
> > >
> > > At 09:04 PM 3/17/03 +0000, Michelle wrote:
> > > >Hi George,
> > > >You are so right. Paul thought he was helping with breakthroughs when
>he
> > > >particepated in the early trimix dives on the unit. Everyone on the
> > > >inspiration site knew what he was doing, he and a dozen or so others
> > > >discussed how they were using mix on the unit. Not a word of caution
>from
> > > >the manufacturers, they must have loved all the free research they were
> > > >getting done by Paul and the others. There was even a chamber dive
> >planned
> > > >to further asess the performance of the unit on trimix.
> > > >Then his accident and all of a sudded he was some kind of rogue and the
> > > >statement was that he died because he was using trimix.
> > > >The unit is sold to be used with trimix and heliox, how did the use of
> > > >trimix kill him? We cannot see another diver related reason so lets
>blame
> > > >it on trimix.
> > > >Paul did not die because he was using trimix but this was the get out
> > > >initially used. There are plenty of people using trimix on the unit
>now.
> > > >Some very lucky people.
> > > >Imagine, you have the full suport of your peers and are in freequent
> > > >contact with the manufacturers detailing exactly what you are doing.
> > > >Suddenly, you die whilst using one of these units and all that suport
> > > >dissapears and you become some maveric doing things they would never
> >condone.
> > > >Paul had had no end of problems with the unit so was extremely cautious
> > > >and meticulous whilst using it. Replacement scrubber lids and a
> > > >replacement unit and numerous discussions with AP.
> > > >
> > > >How does it feel to be the widow?
> > > >When the people your sole mate entrusted his life to abandon him and
>use
> > > >him as a scapegoat? They have a quote published in a magazine stating
> > > >their sympathy for you when you can see nothing has been done to
>rectify
> > > >the situation, they do nothing and they act like nothing has hapened.
> > > >When the daughter you bore after he died wishes on a star that she
>could
> > > >see her father.
> > > >When your entire life has been thrown up in the air and slowly falls
>back
> > > >down to the ground shattering in to unrecoverable peices.
> > > >When collegues at work dash in to a utility room when they see you
> >walking
> > > >towards them in a corridoor because they just don't know what to say to
> > > >you. You feel like a leper.
> > > >When people ask you 'hello, how are you?' ( normal, polite) you have to
> > > >say 'fine thanks' ( normal, polite) but inside you want to screem at
>them
> > > >for asking such a stupid question. How the hell do they think you
>feel -
> > > >but it is not their fault, they don't know how much that simple
>question
> > > >rips you apart.
> > > >When you spend endless hours with his patents explaining, trying to
>make
> > > >some sense of it. No parent expects to loose their child.
> > > >When you are evicted and your home is reposessed because you are not
> >named
> > > >on the mortgage. The home you shared for almost a decade.
> > > >When you sit every night in silence on the sofa desperate to hear his
> >keys
> > > >in the door as he comes home to you.
> > > >You hear about 15 more people loosing their life on the same unit but
> > > >still no questions are asked.
> > > >And all the time the one you love is being used as a scapegoat, called
>an
> > > >idiot by people who never met him, and every time you try to defend him
> > > >you are pushed off as an hysterical woman. You look deeper and deeper
>and
> > > >ask questions that no-one will answer.
> > > >You have to listen to his reputation being ripped to shreds even though
> > > >you know what people are saying is wrong.
> > > >
> > > >Shall I go on, or do you get the impression?
> > > >Martin Parker has spoken to me twice. Once at Paul's inquest where he
> >said
> > > >'stuffy in there, isn't it' and once at Nic Gotto's inquest where he
> >tried
> > > >to say hello as if we were old friends, and asked was I well, in the
>most
> > > >incredable upbeat maner, I was horrified and speachless. He seems to
>have
> > > >absolutely no concept.
> > > >
> > > >As for the other things I can tell you about their performance, how
>about
> > > >attempting to submit a graph ( of how long the loop could sustain life)
> >at
> > > >a public inquest, which was massively innacurate but if it had been
> > > >believed could have explained the pathologists findings. The graph's
> > > >innacuracy was exposed and there was no other way AP could explain the
> > > >pathologist's findings. The pathalogical evidence that Paul had been
> >alive
> > > >for some time, probably hours, following a hypoxic event.
> > > >
> > > >On Sun, 16 Mar 2003 18:04:43 -0500 George Irvine <trey@my*.ne*>
>wrote:
> > > >Lisa, this post of yours has brought out the usual suspects from the
> >Buddy
> > > >Inspiration cheering section, who are about the same caliber of
>mentality
> >as
> > > >you would expect to see at a cock fight. They are citing some web links
> >that
> > > >contain examples of stupidity that are beyond the pale, but they see
>them
> >as
> > > >fantastic accomplishments.
> > > >
> > > >Maybe you and the rest of the Buddy Inspiration widows can explain to
> >these
> > > >morons what it really means to have your husband killed by a piece of
> >shit
> > > >like Martin Parker, by the crap training out there, by the "every man
>for
> > > >himself" mentality of the tough guy Brits who seem to feel these
>devices
> > > >make them a real man, and by the very "accomplishments" ( read doing
> >stupid
> > > >things and getting away with it) that they are so proud of.
> > > >
> > > >The funny thing is that they want to attack me over your post. Your
> >husband
> > > >is dead along with countless others due to this piece of crap and the
> > > >thinking that surrounds it, and we have some lame moron on here telling
> >me
> > > >how superior these people are and how screwed up GUE is ( now he has
> >changed
> > > >that to "DIR").
> > > >
> > > >Maybe you can put some of the things you told me privately on here and
> >save
> > > >some lives. While the idiots are well recognized by most of us a
>idiots,
> >you
> > > >never know who you could prevent from suffering like you have.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: Lisa [mailto:lisa3@ch*.co*]
> > > >Sent: Thursday, March 10, 3707 12:58 AM
> > > >To: techdiver@aquanaut.com
> > > >Subject: Nic Gotto Inquest
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Cork City Coroner, Dr Myra Cullinane, last week recorded an open
>verdict
> >at
> > > >the conclusion of the inquest into the death of Nic Gotto, Union Hall,
> > > >County Cork, who died in July 1998 whilst using the Buddy Inspiration
> > > >Rebreather. The coroners court heard that Nic and some friends were due
> >to
> > > >dive to the Kowloon Bridge wreck, just a few miles south of Glandore
> >harbour
> > > >in County Cork, when the tradgy happened. Nic and his buddy entered the
> > > >water as normal and proceeded to the bow of the wreck at 9m. All was
>well
> >at
> > > >thisstage, Nic was seen to have looked at his handsets and then
>signalled
> >Ok
> > > >to his buddy. He indicated a direction for the dive to continue and
>lead
> >the
> > > >way with his buddy following behind. The visibility was very poor that
> >day
> > > >and Nic's buddy lost sight of him for a few minutes only able to follow
> >by
> > > >using Nic's torch beam for direction. Within a few minutes the buddy
>came
> > > >upon Nic lying on his back with his mouthpiece out and having what
> >appeared
> > > >to be a convulsion. His buddy immediately realised that Nic was in
> >trouble
> > > >and attempt to rescue him. In the rescue attempt Nic's buddy lost his
>own
> > > >mouthpiece and weight belt and started to ascend. He made it to the 9m
> >mark
> > > >and managed to alert another pair of divers that Nic was in trouble.
>One
> >of
> > > >the other divers quickly found Nic and assisted him to the surface
>where
> >he
> > > >was taken onboard the boat and CPR was administered for 45 minutes
>after
> > > >which time the Air Sea Rescue helicopter winched him on board and flew
> >him
> > > >to hospital where he was pronounced dead on arrival. The court heard
>that
> > > >Nic's rebreather was dropped during his rescue and was not recovered
>for
> > > >some days. On inspection the Buddy Inspiration Rebreather was found to
>be
> >in
> > > >good working order and no alterations had been made to the kit. There
>was
> >a
> > > >reading on both guages. Both handsets, when opened, were found to be
> >cracked
> > > >and full of seawater. Nic had been seen to be having difficulties
> > > >calibrating his equipment prior to getting on the boat. On the boat
>prior
> >to
> > > >the dive, Nic dismantled and cleaned and re assembled his equipment,
> > > >breathed from the unit and prepared to enter the water. It was noted
>that
> >no
> > > >alarm was heard at anytime before, during and after Nic was brought to
> >the
> > > >surface. Mr Hogan, the pathologist at Cork University Hospital, said
>that
> > > >Nic had suffered drowning after a metabolic event had occurred leading
>to
> > > >him losing consciousness, he said that it might have Hyperoxia or
> >Hycapnia.
> > > >It was recorded that Nic had completed approx. 10 dives on the
>equipment.
> >As
> > > >no one had witnessed Nic changing the scrubber canister the
>manufactures,
> >AP
> > > >Valves, did make a submission that it might have been Hypercapnia that
> >lead
> > > >to Nic's demise. Nic's widow Rachel was able to tell the court that of
> >two
> > > >20kg drums of sofnalime at her house over half of one is gone. The
> >coroner
> > > >seemed satisfied that this suggested that Nic had replaced the scruba
> > > >contents. At the end of three days the Jury were directed to return one
> >of
> > > >three possible verdicts, accidental death, death by misadventure and
>open
> > > >verdict. They returned the latter.
> > > >
> > > >During questioning, a witness who initially reported that Nic told her
> >the
> > > >scrubber could last 10 hours, confirmed this 10 hours could well have
> > > >related to the O2 cylinder duration and not the scrubber.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >My condolencies to Rachel, Nic's wife, and his three daughters, two who
> >are
> > > >teenagers and one little girl who has never seen her father.
> > > >
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