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--part1_d.c6b99d4.2ba921b3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit JT: You're out of line with these comments. Paul, and everyone else: Paul asks a good question regarding diving this kind of unit -- but I would take it a step further with explaining to your loved ones the risks of the dives you might do. Every dive has risk. Tech dives have more risk. Rebreather dives have too much risk, and not enough to justify it, for me to even consider. When my mother was alive, she used to worry about me going to downtown Detroit for a concert (this was as an adult -- with me knowing well which neighborhoods to stay out of). With that kind of unnecessary worrying, I surely did not explain to her the risks of recreational diving. She occasionally heard me talk about possible injuries or accidents that could occur, but I kept it low key. I've been more open with my Dad, but I haven't really enlightened him on the risks of cave and technical diving. He hears me talk about deaths, senselesss stupidity that leads to these deaths or accidents, and the reason I believe that diving DIR helps to reduce my risk in these activiites. He doesn't ask a lot of questions. I'm single, have no children, and only need to let my parents and my brother and his family know that there are risks and that I accept them in order to participate in this sport. I owe it to anyone I leave behind to have my affairs in order in case the worst happens. All of us should consider the risk versus benefit equation of any dive, and should be prepared to limit risk exposure accordingly. I know a number of new fathers who have given up deeper dives. I know a number of wives who have asked their husbands to give up deeper dives. I know a few people who stopped cave diving because they had one close call too many. Often spouses and others close to us do not do the same kind of diving, but still support the activity. Some are divers and take an active interest, others are shore or boat support, or take care of things at home so the diver can participate in the sport. All of this is a choice, however, it doesn't make it much easier if something happens. I, myself, am guilty of not fully disclosing to my loved ones the risks of my sport. I do have a will, and enough money to bury me and pay my debts. No one will suffer undo hardship if I die while diving. (Although I hope that I am loved enough to be missed.) I do need to have an honest conversation with my family about this, as probably do many of you. Regardless of how much is understood ahead of time, and signing of waivers saying I accept responsibility, I owe it to other divers to do everything I can NOT to die while diving. I don't want my death to be the reason tougher laws or policy restricts your access to diving. To that end, I need to be as safe as possible, regardless of the amount of risk I accept. I'm going to add a paper to those with my will that explains the risks of cave and technical diving and indicates that I accept responsibility for my actions. Only in the case of gross negligence would I want my family to pursue legal action against a boat operator, dive buddy, or equipment manufacturer. What little I know of the Buddy Inspiration, it seems that these units are accidents waiting to happen. The fatality rate on these is too high. The risk of using these is too high, far higher than on other types of rebreathers. Yet these seem to be sold to a large number of divers who do not belong on them. They should be recalled. Rebreathers are not a cool toy, they are a dangerous tool. They should be used only when required, not just for fun. Jan > At 10:28 AM 3/18/03 -0800, Paul Braunbehrens wrote: > >Unfortunately in most cases the persons involved with the inspiration > >diver have much less knowledge of the risks of that particular unit then > >the diver himself. It would be interesting to send a letter to the family > > >of inspiration divers detailing some of the risks of the unit. I wonder > >how many people would still dive it. > > > >I don't think that Michelle is the one to be blamed, however AP valves is > >criminal for selling this piece of junk, in my opinion. > > ------------------ Visit my web site with underwater and other photos at http:\\members.aol.com\jsuw3\index.html --part1_d.c6b99d4.2ba921b3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE= =3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">JT: You're out of line with these comments.<BR> <BR> Paul, and everyone else:<BR> <BR> Paul asks a good question regarding diving this kind of unit -- but I would=20= take it a step further with explaining to your loved ones the risks of the d= ives you might do. Every dive has risk. Tech dives have more ris= k. Rebreather dives have too much risk, and not enough to justify it,=20= for me to even consider.<BR> <BR> When my mother was alive, she used to worry about me going to downtown Detro= it for a concert (this was as an adult -- with me knowing well which neighbo= rhoods to stay out of). With that kind of unnecessary worrying, I sure= ly did not explain to her the risks of recreational diving. She occasi= onally heard me talk about possible injuries or accidents that could occur,=20= but I kept it low key.<BR> <BR> I've been more open with my Dad, but I haven't really enlightened him on the= risks of cave and technical diving. He hears me talk about deaths, se= nselesss stupidity that leads to these deaths or accidents, and the reason I= believe that diving DIR helps to reduce my risk in these activiites. =20= He doesn't ask a lot of questions.<BR> <BR> I'm single, have no children, and only need to let my parents and my brother= and his family know that there are risks and that I accept them in order to= participate in this sport. I owe it to anyone I leave behind to have=20= my affairs in order in case the worst happens.<BR> <BR> All of us should consider the risk versus benefit equation of any dive, and=20= should be prepared to limit risk exposure accordingly. I know a number= of new fathers who have given up deeper dives. I know a number of wiv= es who have asked their husbands to give up deeper dives. I know a few= people who stopped cave diving because they had one close call too many.<BR= > <BR> Often spouses and others close to us do not do the same kind of diving, but=20= still support the activity. Some are divers and take an active interes= t, others are shore or boat support, or take care of things at home so the d= iver can participate in the sport. All of this is a choice, howe= ver, it doesn't make it much easier if something happens.<BR> <BR> I, myself, am guilty of not fully disclosing to my loved ones the risks of m= y sport. I do have a will, and enough money to bury me and pay my debt= s. No one will suffer undo hardship if I die while diving. (Alth= ough I hope that I am loved enough to be missed.) I do need to have an= honest conversation with my family about this, as probably do many of you.<= BR> <BR> Regardless of how much is understood ahead of time, and signing of waivers s= aying I accept responsibility, I owe it to other divers to do everything I c= an NOT to die while diving. I don't want my death to be the reason tou= gher laws or policy restricts your access to diving. To that end, I ne= ed to be as safe as possible, regardless of the amount of risk I accept.&nbs= p; I'm going to add a paper to those with my will that explains the risks of= cave and technical diving and indicates that I accept responsibility for my= actions. Only in the case of gross negligence would I want my family=20= to pursue legal action against a boat operator, dive buddy, or equipment man= ufacturer.<BR> <BR> What little I know of the Buddy Inspiration, it seems that these units are a= ccidents waiting to happen. The fatality rate on these is too high.&nb= sp; The risk of using these is too high, far higher than on other types of r= ebreathers. Yet these seem to be sold to a large number of divers who=20= do not belong on them. They should be recalled. Rebreathers are=20= not a cool toy, they are a dangerous tool. They should be used only wh= en required, not just for fun. <BR> <BR> Jan<BR> <BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT= : 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">At 10:28 AM 3/18/03 -0800, Paul= Braunbehrens wrote:<BR> >Unfortunately in most cases the persons involved with the inspiration <B= R> >diver have much less knowledge of the risks of that particular unit then= <BR> >the diver himself. It would be interesting to send a letter to the= family <BR> >of inspiration divers detailing some of the risks of the unit. I w= onder <BR> >how many people would still dive it.<BR> ><BR> >I don't think that Michelle is the one to be blamed, however AP valves i= s <BR> >criminal for selling this piece of junk, in my opinion.<BR> ></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BR> <BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#800040" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2= FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0"><B><BR> ------------------<BR> Visit my web site with underwater and other photos at http:\\members.aol.com= \jsuw3\index.html</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR:=20= #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></B><BR> </FONT></HTML> --part1_d.c6b99d4.2ba921b3_boundary-- -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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