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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 16:57:24 -0500
To: <girvine@be*.ne*>, "Michelle" <lisa3@ch*.co*>
From: Capt JT <captjt@mi*.co*>
Subject: RE: Nic Gotto Inquest
Cc: <lisa3@ch*.co*>, <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
At 06:40 AM 3/18/03 -0500, George Irvine wrote:
>Look you idiot, she learned about this after the fact. I just can not
>believe how stupid you are and how you will go to any lengths to be an
>asshole. You are so out of bounds here it is ridiculous. I really hope I run
>into you again face to face. You need it badly.

I look FWD to it...........



>-----Original Message-----
>From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]
>Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 8:27 PM
>To: Michelle
>Cc: lisa3@ch*.co*; techdiver@aquanaut.com
>Subject: RE: Nic Gotto Inquest
>
>
>Michelle, I have only one question for you................Why did you wait
>until Paul died to get involved in what he was doing. quote "Paul had had
>no end of problems with the unit".......so you knew something was not right.
>
>
>At 09:04 PM 3/17/03 +0000, Michelle wrote:
> >Hi George,
> >You are so right. Paul thought he was helping with breakthroughs when he
> >particepated in the early trimix dives on the unit. Everyone on the
> >inspiration site knew what he was doing, he and a dozen or so others
> >discussed how they were using mix on the unit. Not a word of caution from
> >the manufacturers, they must have loved all the free research they were
> >getting done by Paul and the others. There was even a chamber dive planned
> >to further asess the performance of the unit on trimix.
> >Then his accident and all of a sudded he was some kind of rogue and the
> >statement was that he died because he was using trimix.
> >The unit is sold to be used with trimix and heliox, how did the use of
> >trimix kill him? We cannot see another diver related reason so lets blame
> >it on trimix.
> >Paul did not die because he was using trimix but this was the get out
> >initially used. There are plenty of people using trimix on the unit now.
> >Some very lucky people.
> >Imagine, you have the full suport of your peers and are in freequent
> >contact with the manufacturers detailing exactly what you are doing.
> >Suddenly, you die whilst using one of these units and all that suport
> >dissapears and you become some maveric doing things they would never
>condone.
> >Paul had had no end of problems with the unit so was extremely cautious
> >and meticulous whilst using it. Replacement scrubber lids and a
> >replacement unit and numerous discussions with AP.
> >
> >How does it feel to be the widow?
> >When the people your sole mate entrusted his life to abandon him and use
> >him as a scapegoat? They have a quote published in a magazine stating
> >their sympathy for you when you can see nothing has been done to rectify
> >the situation, they do nothing and they act like nothing has hapened.
> >When the daughter you bore after he died wishes on a star that she could
> >see her father.
> >When your entire life has been thrown up in the air and slowly falls back
> >down to the ground shattering in to unrecoverable peices.
> >When collegues at work dash in to a utility room when they see you walking
> >towards them in a corridoor because they just don't know what to say to
> >you. You feel like a leper.
> >When people ask you 'hello, how are you?' ( normal, polite) you have to
> >say 'fine thanks' ( normal, polite) but inside you want to screem at them
> >for asking such a stupid question. How the hell do they think you feel -
> >but it is not their fault, they don't know how much that simple question
> >rips you apart.
> >When you spend endless hours with his patents explaining, trying to make
> >some sense of it. No parent expects to loose their child.
> >When you are evicted and your home is reposessed because you are not named
> >on the mortgage. The home you shared for almost a decade.
> >When you sit every night in silence on the sofa desperate to hear his keys
> >in the door as he comes home to you.
> >You hear about 15 more people loosing their life on the same unit but
> >still no questions are asked.
> >And all the time the one you love is being used as a scapegoat, called an
> >idiot by people who never met him, and every time you try to defend him
> >you are pushed off as an hysterical woman. You look deeper and deeper and
> >ask questions that no-one will answer.
> >You have to listen to his reputation being ripped to shreds even though
> >you know what people are saying is wrong.
> >
> >Shall I go on, or do you get the impression?
> >Martin Parker has spoken to me twice. Once at Paul's inquest where he said
> >'stuffy in there, isn't it' and once at Nic Gotto's inquest where he tried
> >to say hello as if we were old friends, and asked was I well, in the most
> >incredable upbeat maner, I was horrified and speachless. He seems to have
> >absolutely no concept.
> >
> >As for the other things I can tell you about their performance, how about
> >attempting to submit a graph ( of how long the loop could sustain life) at
> >a public inquest, which was massively innacurate but if it had been
> >believed could have explained the pathologists findings. The graph's
> >innacuracy was exposed and there was no other way AP could explain the
> >pathologist's findings. The pathalogical evidence that Paul had been alive
> >for some time, probably hours, following a hypoxic event.
> >
> >On Sun, 16 Mar 2003 18:04:43 -0500 George Irvine <trey@my*.ne*> wrote:
> >Lisa, this post of yours has brought out the usual suspects from the Buddy
> >Inspiration cheering section, who are about the same caliber of mentality
>as
> >you would expect to see at a cock fight. They are citing some web links
>that
> >contain examples of stupidity that are beyond the pale, but they see them
>as
> >fantastic accomplishments.
> >
> >Maybe you and the rest of the Buddy Inspiration widows can explain to these
> >morons what it really means to have your husband killed by a piece of shit
> >like Martin Parker, by the crap training out there, by the "every man for
> >himself" mentality of the tough guy Brits who seem to feel these devices
> >make them a real man, and by the very "accomplishments" ( read doing stupid
> >things and getting away with it) that they are so proud of.
> >
> >The funny thing is that they want to attack me over your post. Your husband
> >is dead along with countless others due to this piece of crap and the
> >thinking that surrounds it, and we have some lame moron on here telling me
> >how superior these people are and how screwed up GUE is ( now he has
>changed
> >that to "DIR").
> >
> >Maybe you can put some of the things you told me privately on here and save
> >some lives. While the idiots are well recognized by most of us a idiots,
>you
> >never know who you could prevent from suffering like you have.
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Lisa [mailto:lisa3@ch*.co*]
> >Sent: Thursday, March 10, 3707 12:58 AM
> >To: techdiver@aquanaut.com
> >Subject: Nic Gotto Inquest
> >
> >
> >Cork City Coroner, Dr Myra Cullinane, last week recorded an open verdict at
> >the conclusion of the inquest into the death of Nic Gotto, Union Hall,
> >County Cork, who died in July 1998 whilst using the Buddy Inspiration
> >Rebreather. The coroners court heard that Nic and some friends were due to
> >dive to the Kowloon Bridge wreck, just a few miles south of Glandore
>harbour
> >in County Cork, when the tradgy happened. Nic and his buddy entered the
> >water as normal and proceeded to the bow of the wreck at 9m. All was well
>at
> >thisstage, Nic was seen to have looked at his handsets and then signalled
>Ok
> >to his buddy. He indicated a direction for the dive to continue and lead
>the
> >way with his buddy following behind. The visibility was very poor that day
> >and Nic's buddy lost sight of him for a few minutes only able to follow by
> >using Nic's torch beam for direction. Within a few minutes the buddy came
> >upon Nic lying on his back with his mouthpiece out and having what appeared
> >to be a convulsion. His buddy immediately realised that Nic was in trouble
> >and attempt to rescue him. In the rescue attempt Nic's buddy lost his own
> >mouthpiece and weight belt and started to ascend. He made it to the 9m mark
> >and managed to alert another pair of divers that Nic was in trouble. One of
> >the other divers quickly found Nic and assisted him to the surface where he
> >was taken onboard the boat and CPR was administered for 45 minutes after
> >which time the Air Sea Rescue helicopter winched him on board and flew him
> >to hospital where he was pronounced dead on arrival. The court heard that
> >Nic's rebreather was dropped during his rescue and was not recovered for
> >some days. On inspection the Buddy Inspiration Rebreather was found to be
>in
> >good working order and no alterations had been made to the kit. There was a
> >reading on both guages. Both handsets, when opened, were found to be
>cracked
> >and full of seawater. Nic had been seen to be having difficulties
> >calibrating his equipment prior to getting on the boat. On the boat prior
>to
> >the dive, Nic dismantled and cleaned and re assembled his equipment,
> >breathed from the unit and prepared to enter the water. It was noted that
>no
> >alarm was heard at anytime before, during and after Nic was brought to the
> >surface. Mr Hogan, the pathologist at Cork University Hospital, said that
> >Nic had suffered drowning after a metabolic event had occurred leading to
> >him losing consciousness, he said that it might have Hyperoxia or Hycapnia.
> >It was recorded that Nic had completed approx. 10 dives on the equipment.
>As
> >no one had witnessed Nic changing the scrubber canister the manufactures,
>AP
> >Valves, did make a submission that it might have been Hypercapnia that lead
> >to Nic's demise. Nic's widow Rachel was able to tell the court that of two
> >20kg drums of sofnalime at her house over half of one is gone. The coroner
> >seemed satisfied that this suggested that Nic had replaced the scruba
> >contents. At the end of three days the Jury were directed to return one of
> >three possible verdicts, accidental death, death by misadventure and open
> >verdict. They returned the latter.
> >
> >During questioning, a witness who initially reported that Nic told her the
> >scrubber could last 10 hours, confirmed this 10 hours could well have
> >related to the O2 cylinder duration and not the scrubber.
> >
> >
> >
> >My condolencies to Rachel, Nic's wife, and his three daughters, two who are
> >teenagers and one little girl who has never seen her father.
> >
> >
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