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At 06:40 AM 3/18/03 -0500, George Irvine wrote: >Look you idiot, she learned about this after the fact. I just can not >believe how stupid you are and how you will go to any lengths to be an >asshole. You are so out of bounds here it is ridiculous. I really hope I run >into you again face to face. You need it badly. I look FWD to it........... >-----Original Message----- >From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*] >Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 8:27 PM >To: Michelle >Cc: lisa3@ch*.co*; techdiver@aquanaut.com >Subject: RE: Nic Gotto Inquest > > >Michelle, I have only one question for you................Why did you wait >until Paul died to get involved in what he was doing. quote "Paul had had >no end of problems with the unit".......so you knew something was not right. > > >At 09:04 PM 3/17/03 +0000, Michelle wrote: > >Hi George, > >You are so right. Paul thought he was helping with breakthroughs when he > >particepated in the early trimix dives on the unit. Everyone on the > >inspiration site knew what he was doing, he and a dozen or so others > >discussed how they were using mix on the unit. Not a word of caution from > >the manufacturers, they must have loved all the free research they were > >getting done by Paul and the others. There was even a chamber dive planned > >to further asess the performance of the unit on trimix. > >Then his accident and all of a sudded he was some kind of rogue and the > >statement was that he died because he was using trimix. > >The unit is sold to be used with trimix and heliox, how did the use of > >trimix kill him? We cannot see another diver related reason so lets blame > >it on trimix. > >Paul did not die because he was using trimix but this was the get out > >initially used. There are plenty of people using trimix on the unit now. > >Some very lucky people. > >Imagine, you have the full suport of your peers and are in freequent > >contact with the manufacturers detailing exactly what you are doing. > >Suddenly, you die whilst using one of these units and all that suport > >dissapears and you become some maveric doing things they would never >condone. > >Paul had had no end of problems with the unit so was extremely cautious > >and meticulous whilst using it. Replacement scrubber lids and a > >replacement unit and numerous discussions with AP. > > > >How does it feel to be the widow? > >When the people your sole mate entrusted his life to abandon him and use > >him as a scapegoat? They have a quote published in a magazine stating > >their sympathy for you when you can see nothing has been done to rectify > >the situation, they do nothing and they act like nothing has hapened. > >When the daughter you bore after he died wishes on a star that she could > >see her father. > >When your entire life has been thrown up in the air and slowly falls back > >down to the ground shattering in to unrecoverable peices. > >When collegues at work dash in to a utility room when they see you walking > >towards them in a corridoor because they just don't know what to say to > >you. You feel like a leper. > >When people ask you 'hello, how are you?' ( normal, polite) you have to > >say 'fine thanks' ( normal, polite) but inside you want to screem at them > >for asking such a stupid question. How the hell do they think you feel - > >but it is not their fault, they don't know how much that simple question > >rips you apart. > >When you spend endless hours with his patents explaining, trying to make > >some sense of it. No parent expects to loose their child. > >When you are evicted and your home is reposessed because you are not named > >on the mortgage. The home you shared for almost a decade. > >When you sit every night in silence on the sofa desperate to hear his keys > >in the door as he comes home to you. > >You hear about 15 more people loosing their life on the same unit but > >still no questions are asked. > >And all the time the one you love is being used as a scapegoat, called an > >idiot by people who never met him, and every time you try to defend him > >you are pushed off as an hysterical woman. You look deeper and deeper and > >ask questions that no-one will answer. > >You have to listen to his reputation being ripped to shreds even though > >you know what people are saying is wrong. > > > >Shall I go on, or do you get the impression? > >Martin Parker has spoken to me twice. Once at Paul's inquest where he said > >'stuffy in there, isn't it' and once at Nic Gotto's inquest where he tried > >to say hello as if we were old friends, and asked was I well, in the most > >incredable upbeat maner, I was horrified and speachless. He seems to have > >absolutely no concept. > > > >As for the other things I can tell you about their performance, how about > >attempting to submit a graph ( of how long the loop could sustain life) at > >a public inquest, which was massively innacurate but if it had been > >believed could have explained the pathologists findings. The graph's > >innacuracy was exposed and there was no other way AP could explain the > >pathologist's findings. The pathalogical evidence that Paul had been alive > >for some time, probably hours, following a hypoxic event. > > > >On Sun, 16 Mar 2003 18:04:43 -0500 George Irvine <trey@my*.ne*> wrote: > >Lisa, this post of yours has brought out the usual suspects from the Buddy > >Inspiration cheering section, who are about the same caliber of mentality >as > >you would expect to see at a cock fight. They are citing some web links >that > >contain examples of stupidity that are beyond the pale, but they see them >as > >fantastic accomplishments. > > > >Maybe you and the rest of the Buddy Inspiration widows can explain to these > >morons what it really means to have your husband killed by a piece of shit > >like Martin Parker, by the crap training out there, by the "every man for > >himself" mentality of the tough guy Brits who seem to feel these devices > >make them a real man, and by the very "accomplishments" ( read doing stupid > >things and getting away with it) that they are so proud of. > > > >The funny thing is that they want to attack me over your post. Your husband > >is dead along with countless others due to this piece of crap and the > >thinking that surrounds it, and we have some lame moron on here telling me > >how superior these people are and how screwed up GUE is ( now he has >changed > >that to "DIR"). > > > >Maybe you can put some of the things you told me privately on here and save > >some lives. While the idiots are well recognized by most of us a idiots, >you > >never know who you could prevent from suffering like you have. > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Lisa [mailto:lisa3@ch*.co*] > >Sent: Thursday, March 10, 3707 12:58 AM > >To: techdiver@aquanaut.com > >Subject: Nic Gotto Inquest > > > > > >Cork City Coroner, Dr Myra Cullinane, last week recorded an open verdict at > >the conclusion of the inquest into the death of Nic Gotto, Union Hall, > >County Cork, who died in July 1998 whilst using the Buddy Inspiration > >Rebreather. The coroners court heard that Nic and some friends were due to > >dive to the Kowloon Bridge wreck, just a few miles south of Glandore >harbour > >in County Cork, when the tradgy happened. Nic and his buddy entered the > >water as normal and proceeded to the bow of the wreck at 9m. All was well >at > >thisstage, Nic was seen to have looked at his handsets and then signalled >Ok > >to his buddy. He indicated a direction for the dive to continue and lead >the > >way with his buddy following behind. The visibility was very poor that day > >and Nic's buddy lost sight of him for a few minutes only able to follow by > >using Nic's torch beam for direction. Within a few minutes the buddy came > >upon Nic lying on his back with his mouthpiece out and having what appeared > >to be a convulsion. His buddy immediately realised that Nic was in trouble > >and attempt to rescue him. In the rescue attempt Nic's buddy lost his own > >mouthpiece and weight belt and started to ascend. He made it to the 9m mark > >and managed to alert another pair of divers that Nic was in trouble. One of > >the other divers quickly found Nic and assisted him to the surface where he > >was taken onboard the boat and CPR was administered for 45 minutes after > >which time the Air Sea Rescue helicopter winched him on board and flew him > >to hospital where he was pronounced dead on arrival. The court heard that > >Nic's rebreather was dropped during his rescue and was not recovered for > >some days. On inspection the Buddy Inspiration Rebreather was found to be >in > >good working order and no alterations had been made to the kit. There was a > >reading on both guages. Both handsets, when opened, were found to be >cracked > >and full of seawater. Nic had been seen to be having difficulties > >calibrating his equipment prior to getting on the boat. On the boat prior >to > >the dive, Nic dismantled and cleaned and re assembled his equipment, > >breathed from the unit and prepared to enter the water. It was noted that >no > >alarm was heard at anytime before, during and after Nic was brought to the > >surface. Mr Hogan, the pathologist at Cork University Hospital, said that > >Nic had suffered drowning after a metabolic event had occurred leading to > >him losing consciousness, he said that it might have Hyperoxia or Hycapnia. > >It was recorded that Nic had completed approx. 10 dives on the equipment. >As > >no one had witnessed Nic changing the scrubber canister the manufactures, >AP > >Valves, did make a submission that it might have been Hypercapnia that lead > >to Nic's demise. Nic's widow Rachel was able to tell the court that of two > >20kg drums of sofnalime at her house over half of one is gone. The coroner > >seemed satisfied that this suggested that Nic had replaced the scruba > >contents. At the end of three days the Jury were directed to return one of > >three possible verdicts, accidental death, death by misadventure and open > >verdict. They returned the latter. > > > >During questioning, a witness who initially reported that Nic told her the > >scrubber could last 10 hours, confirmed this 10 hours could well have > >related to the O2 cylinder duration and not the scrubber. > > > > > > > >My condolencies to Rachel, Nic's wife, and his three daughters, two who are > >teenagers and one little girl who has never seen her father. > > > > > >-- > >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > >"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in the >water" >Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more > Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/ >Email captjt@mi*.co* > > >-- >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. 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