Well Richard or is it Tadpole......... every time you guys ask a question, 
some who disapprove of the answer that is given often give advise that is 
totally wrong, yet they have never done the dives or are often caught 
leaving details out of their dives that show that diving is not perfect, 
their ego or being in the business will not let them tell the truth. I 
recall one who used to post all these perfect dives all the time and yet I 
had seen him dive and perfect is not how all dives go. He had an argument 
with one in his group and they exposed each other, this was followed by an 
accident that I had predicted. Thus the dives were not perfect.

During the VBtech all day meeting several of the guys came over to my house 
and we discussed some of the huge dives we have planned for this year. Then 
our discussion turned to what ever happened to this guy or that guy. We 
found that each one only had but one problem or close call during their 
diving. They had been diving under the delusion that all dives were or 
could be made perfect, good skills, training ect.... was enough. It is not, 
no matter how good you are or how well you have been trained, it does not 
matter what you have done in the past, you cannot predict how you will 
handle each and every problem that you may be confronted with on a dive. 
Here is the plain truth, most will not survive any problem on the extreme 
dives, those who have encountered many problems on easy , shallow normal 
dives, stand a much better chance of handling the life ending problem on an 
extreme dive. The metal stress that a problem at deep depths can produce is 
overwhelming. Those that have their first one on a challenging dive and 
survive often move on to something else, their egos make them say they have 
to work or some other bullshit when asked to go diving. Never the real truth.
Something like the diver who had done a 350ft dive in a cave and woke in 
the middle of the night to find his arm numb and unable to move it, told 
himself he would never do those dives again.....soon he found he had only 
slept on the arm and he was not hurt at all. But announced the deep crazy 
shit was over for him.......anybody heard from him lately? That was an 
honest answer he gave.

You are new to this list, it has always been shit. Things are said on this 
list that is said on no other list. I do hear it is happening on quest a 
lot now. I was guilty of bad behavior on this list myself and now I just 
chose to be a wise ass on here. Because in words of MC Hammer........"can't 
touch this".

Have a happy afternoon




  At 02:28 PM 2/13/03 -0600, Kongable, Richard wrote:
>You just answered me which you say you don't do, so you've proven yourself
>as a hypocrite, certainly.  I wish you'd get back to the real contributions,
>otherwise you're just blowing smoke.  I've been on the list for a year or so
>and still waiting..........................................while I've
>learned quite a bit from the other folks' contributions.
>
>So if we haven't done a dive to 450', we're neophytes in OW1 class?  You
>have no idea who I am, but choose to belittle me because I dared to respond
>to your post.  Name one thing in the email below that is a contribution vs.
>ego enhancement.  What is there to learn from your email below?
>Didley....squat....zero.....
>
>I'm not challenging you or your ego, just giving you some feedback.  If
>everyone has to make 450'+ dives to be worthy of your email response; I'd
>hazard a guess that the majority of folks here aren't worthy, so why are you
>wasting your time trying to impress us?  Aren't we all disqualified from
>responding?  Don't know why you bother with tadpoles like us.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]
>Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 2:25 PM
>To: Kongable, Richard; 'techdiver@aquanaut.com'
>Subject: RE: scooters
>
>
>Hi Richard
>Just like every other neophyte that answers me, you fail to learn anything
>from my post. Even one that was as simple as the one you are answering. You
>read all the things that you did not care about and retained that info like
>the number of hits.........but you failed to read and understand the part
>about not answering me and you will not see a post back. Are we still slow
>to learn..........and stuck in OW1 class...........I used to make many post
>that were real contributions to the list, check the archives..........but
>those like you have reduced me to treating you for what you are..........no
>brag, just fact.......a neophyte. Now I know you must be real
>sssssssllllllloooowwww............ so I'll try it again, don't answer me I
>will not answer you. If I say please will it help.........
>
>Oh and BTW.......have a real nice day
>
>
>
>    At 11:03 AM 2/13/03 -0600, Kongable, Richard wrote:
> >Looks like you're waving it around to me.  If you've already established
> >your credibility, why do you keep doing it repeatedly?  And here you go
> >again with the number of hits to your website?  Do you really think we all
> >care about stuff like that?
> >
> >Just because someone has dived to 450'+ or 12,000 ft. back in a cave
>doesn't
> >mean they have all the answers to every question that might arise.
> >
> >Get over yourself, or at least take it offline.  I generally just delete
> >your "contributions" to the list since I have yet to learn anything from
> >them.
> >
> >Richard
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]
> >Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 9:15 AM
> >To: IB2; techdiver@aquanaut.com
> >Subject: Re: scooters
> >
> >
> >Ian
> >I do not know what Black said a lot of times, he was a disturbed person
>with
> >many more problems than just with his diving.
> >But I do know that I once posted unless you have done a dive deeper than
> >450ft or beyond 12,000 ft in a cave do not answer me. This was done just to
> >remove all the neophytes that like to engage those who actually do the
>dives
> >in a debate they have no experience in.
> >I have already established any credibility needed to surpass others who
>like
> >to wave their dick around.
> >I have not had to lie, cover up, or delete any details of dives I have done
> >or been on to protect my ego or to promote sales. Just facts.......... I do
> >not have to exaggerate depths, times, seas, or anything else to create the
> >illusion I am the better. I only deal with the facts, not opinions. If you
> >were actually following this thread, I was merely correcting a post made on
> >quest as to me being an idiot. While at the same time the person calling me
> >an idiot admits I am the only one taking his scooters to 400ft during his
> >sales pitch. Taking the scooters to 400ft is a fact...........being a idiot
> >is an opinion. Then all the neophytes jump in to post...........
> >The best way to silence me is to not answer me, then you will only see the
> >occasional post that I have updated my web site or some other piece of
> >information that many like to be informed of.
> >
> >   FWIW  since last Friday I have had 6,000 hits to my site, I also found
>out
> >that the home page counter has been incorrect from the beginning and
> >displaying a far lower number than it actually is. I added the counter and
> >had to upgrade my site back in 1999 after I got over 20,000 hits in 2 days
> >and it crashed, it was of the Halloween photos I put up of the us in WKPP
> >costumes and a make believe fight with a super wreckdiver. I guess everyone
> >kept going back to look at it because it was very funny.
> >
> >And you Mr. Ian........ have an extremely nice day
> >
> >
> >        At 07:09 AM 2/13/03 +0000, IB2 wrote:
> >
> >
> >JT,
> >
> >The last person I saw post a "don't talk to me unless you've done ZZZZ
> >dives" message was Black the (Ex)Quack.
> >
> >If you want to establish your credibility, copying his strategy may not be
> >the best way to do so. If you don't give a monkeys toss what others think
>of
> >you why not just maintain a dignified silence?
> >
> >Stay safe,
> >
> >
> >Ian.
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >
> >From: Capt JT <mailto:captjt@mi*.co*>
> >
> >To: Dean Laffan <mailto:email@re*.co*.au*>  ; techdiver@aquanaut.com
> ><mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> >
> >Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 9:19 PM
> >
> >Subject: Re: scooters
> >
> >
> >
> >It only seems to be shared by those who have never done a dive that is of
>an
> >extreme or of a challenging kind. Often by novice divers or those who have
> >come accustom to kissing a certain ones ass. But in all fairness I do not
> >know you and you really don't know me or you would not say things like you
> >do. Everything I have done in diving is well documented and can easily be
> >proven, even to the point of watching TV here the last 2 days and will show
> >again tonight.
> >
> >So to clear up any misunderstanding by me and those who are reading this
> >please place your diving achievements, leveling of training, experience,
>and
> >any other source other than email to prove your personal qualifications
>when
> >you answer to this email. Then at least everyone will not think you are
> >guilty of being both a neophyte and a KA. If you are unable or unwilling to
> >comply with the request above do not waste my time or those on this list.
> >
> >
> >
> >Have a nice day
> >
> >
> >
> >         At 12:17 PM 2/12/03 +1100, Dean Laffan wrote:
> >
> >
> >on 11/2/03 2:16 PM, Capt JT at captjt@mi*.co* wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > His statement about  me being an idiot is only an opinion,
> >
> >
> >
> >But a very common one.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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