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JT:
I asked you why you were making fun of the people who used good =
judgement and did not participate in your Lake Jocassee cluster fuck.
Instead of defending your position, you proceeded to yap about anything =
and everything, rather than answering a simple question of why you =
belittled those who choose not to participate in your stupidity.
Fact: You are an illiterate moron with no scruples or ethics.
Fact: When caught in stupidity, you will do anything possible to divert =
attention from it, especially trying to confuse the issue by making =
disparaging remarks about those whose accomplisments you could never =
approach. What ever transpired on the Britannic Expedition has nothing =
to do with your continually setting a horrific example of how not to =
conduct oneself in the dive community. Your likening yourself to the =
Britannic team is beyond funny and comparing an alleged 490 foot, 2 man =
sand dive to a legitimate expedition is ludicrous.
I would also like to know what does an incident in Brazil have to do =
with your stupidity in Lake Jocassee? I never cease to be amazed at =
your inability to complete a thought. =20
Another EXTREMELY disgusting thing about you is the way you gloat over =
"another diver from the team would die diving solo in a cave". Does =
this make you happy? =20
Your version of the truth is not under scrutiny. No one really cares to =
dispute it because it is not significant. What is significant is the =
content of your dive stories. Specifically, your profound inability to =
conduct a dive that does not become some form of a SNAFU, shall we say. =
I hesitate to use CF again because I do not like to be unnecessarily =
redundant, but there are not many phrases that will adequately =
substitute for it. I trust you know what SNAFU means. Just in case you =
do not, I will succinctly and subtly explain it to you. A SNAFU is how =
you politely describe someone knocking his own mask off with a stage =
bottle out of frustration because his buddy called the dive. BTW, a =
SNAFU becomes a CF when the one commiting the SNAFU happens to be the =
leader of the dive. Now I realize that a CF is the norm for anything =
you do, so perhaps if we call it a SNAFU you will be better able to deal =
with it.
For example, when you were horrificly bent on the Doria after =
solo-setting the hook (since you think you were the only one who could =
do it), you said you behaved badly so you did not dive the rest of the =
trip. Everyone knows you were just telling the JT "truth", and you =
spent the rest of the trip on your bunk sucking on O2 when you should =
have been flown out by the Coast Guard. This is similar to the NC trip =
where you tied your deco bottles to the boat and got bent because you =
couldn't get back to them. Actually, these are neither SNAFUs nor CFs. =
These fall under the TARFU category. However, your attempt to embarrass =
and cajole a diver into diving when they are saying they do not feel =
well (possible DCS) is beyond any of this. That is FUBAR.
Now I realize that all of this is getting somewhat complex, especially =
for a pea brain such as yourself, so I have created the "BARKOMETER" =
scale of abominable behaviors. It goes like this:
SNAFU - A dive on which JT is a participant. Invariably, something =
incredibly stupid will happen.
CF - A SNAFU on which JT is the leader or organizer. Most likely, a NDE =
(near death experience) will occur.
TARFU - A CF which is the fruit of a long 4 minute thought process by =
JT. Typically involves highly avoidable multiple NDEs.=20
FUBAR - A TARFU which is the result of a malicious 3 minute thought =
process by JT. It is typically preceeded by several TARFUs, and is done =
in an attempt to smokescreen the multiple TARFUs that initially created =
the need for a FUBAR.
In closing, JT, can I please have an order of McNuggets, fries, a happy =
meal, a bottled water and extra napkins -- to go? BTW - Make it snappy =
and I'll send a letter to get you into McDonalds University.=20
Best regards.
Joe
"Your a lair, fries don't come with that."
Capt. JT Barker
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Capt JT=20
To: girvine@be*.ne* ; vbtech@ci*.co*=20
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com ; FLTechDiver@mikey.net=20
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 5:55 PM
Subject: RE: Lake Jocassee Project
I will only answer you this once, after that you just try and turn =
these things into a shouting match. Funny how I can write about a dive =
and only the truth comes out in it. Just like I told the old short =
guy....make what you want of it.=20
Also you want everyone to watch a TV show that leaves out the =
accident. Lets put the facts out there. That team was hand picked, the =
so called "dream team of diving", yet with all the planning, ect. ect. a =
diver still got bent like a pretzel, I did not hear or see it in the =
show or have anyone post from the trip that it happened and later =
another diver from the team would die diving solo in a cave. These are =
just the facts.
It is really great that GUE forces their instructors to have good =
basic skills and even requires them to do a few real dives a year . But =
to have good enough skills to become a GUE instructor is not enough to =
handle the extreme stress of a 500ft dive, this was found out in the =
accident that was reported on techdiver ( =
http://www.aquanaut.com/bin/mlist/aquanaut/techdiver/display?54330,from =
)of the GUE instructor his name was on this post and buddy who either =
panicked or had a RB problem at depth, bolted, and got seriously bent. I =
hear there was no mention of this on quest, was there a cover up so not =
to rattle the following? I give you permission to show my 490ft dive =
tape(since you have a stolen copy) to all GUE instructors so they can =
see how a 2 man team does that dive and no one gets hurt, they may have =
good enough skills to be the best instructors, but at least one had =
trouble surviving a real dive.
I hear you have been bashing Andrew over on quest pretty good, we all =
know none of those GUE instructors will stand up to you. They depend on =
doing diving instruction as a living and understand that when you shake =
that money tree on these lists it will effect their income. I have met a =
lot of these guys and they are just normal guys trying to make a buck.
I do not make a dime off of diving and nothing you can do or say will =
effect me. So standing up to you is just the right thing for me. When I =
call someone a "weenie", I'm right on the mark........ The last diver I =
called that on this list which was over a month ago has come and dived =
with me, he had 75 logged dives and is no match for me or anyone in our =
group. He was actually better than I thought he would be. Nice guy, he =
just will need a lot of dives and work to get where he wants to be.
So where does all this take us.........the fact remains and will =
always remain as long as people place their heads underwater someone =
will die, even the best will have a problem sometime, getting them to =
admit it or that it has happen is a hard thing to do . I have yet had =
to go to a chamber, no one has died on any trip I am in charge of. To my =
knowledge few have done more sub 300ft wreck dives than me. I only know =
a few divers who are more tougher underwater than me in the conditions I =
dive in. And you ain't one of them, I saw how that 53 degree water =
kicked your ass here on a 140ft dive. Stick to the clear warm water in =
them caves and you will remain at the top and can beat your chest.=20
I know you are going to blast a reply, I wouldn't expect anything =
less, but don't expect a reply from me.
BTW do you plan to have a recall on the wreck scooter so you can =
install the right clutch at no cost that should have been installed in =
the first place.=20
At 06:17 AM 11/7/02 -0500, George Irvine wrote:
Listen, "Capt JT" , this is really pathetic. For one, you have so =
little skill and knowledge that it is laughable when you discuss taking =
days to deal with this self-created clusterfuck that would be nothing to =
a skilled diver. You calling people weenies is laughable when I know for =
a fact that you would not know where to start with a real dive. Your =
criticism of people who show proper judgment when faced with one of your =
mindless dive plans is inexcusable stroke bullshit. I will remind you =
that Jarrod and I both pulled the thumb on one of your ridiculous dive =
plans after seeing your SWBS in action. Want to call the two of us =
"weenies", Big Time?
The fact is that you and you alone are the problem on all your dives =
- not only for yourself but for everyone around you. I can not believe =
these guys still subject themselves to this.
By the way, as long as you are sending your reports to the rest of =
the gang "to make changes if it is true or I am mistaken before I post =
it", perhaps you could persuade one of them to edit out the illiteracy =
so that the comedy of your stupidity does not divert attention from the =
seriousness of the stroke example that you set. The problem is that =
people are laughing at you on here, and you are not the least bit funny. =
-----Original Message-----=20
From: joe@po*.co* [mailto:joe@po*.co*]=20
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 11:22 PM=20
To: vbtech@ci*.co*; Capt JT=20
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com; FLTechDiver@mikey.net=20
Subject: Re: Lake Jocassee Project
I do not doubt the veracity of the report. You couldn't have =
made that up. I am talking about your ridicule of those whose survival =
instincts prompted them to back out. I find that offensive because it =
is a good way to push people into getting themselves killed for fear of =
being criticized.=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Capt JT=20
To: Joe ; vbtech@ci*.co*=20
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com ; FLTechDiver@mikey.net=20
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 7:46 PM=20
Subject: Re: Lake Jocassee Project
Make what you want of it, everyone who was there and those who =
were to go but didn't know the answers. Not one of them will post =
anything different than what I say. Every report on dives I make is sent =
to those on the trip and they have the option to make changes if it is =
true or I am mistaken before I post it.=20
At 07:25 PM 11/6/02 -0800, Joe wrote:=20
JT:=20
I love the way you try to make fun of the people that had more =
sense than to dive with you, whether the reason was that the dive was =
beyond their abilities and experience or that they just were using good =
judgment and abiding by rules no. 1 and 2.=20
You make the dive sound like a dare. What's up with that?=20
Best.=20
Joe=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Capt JT=20
To: vbtech@ci*.co*=20
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com ; FLTechDiver@mikey.net=20
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 11:19 AM=20
Subject: Lake Jocassee Project
Lake Jocassee is a dammed valley with depths at times to =
350ft. After last years trip to the lake ( read about it here =
http://www.aquanaut.com/bin/mlist/aquanaut/techdiver/display?51280,from =
) a new project was born. When the valley was flooded around 1968 =
several structures were left and is the bases for many rumors as to what =
is still there and who left what. With forest, roads, peaks, and who =
really knows what is down there, it was a challenge to find a starting =
point to began a search for some of these rumored things.=20
Jackie Smith who has many dives to the lake had started to =
follow a road that would lead him to a bridge, sound easy? Once you add =
in the depth of 300ft and distance one might have to swim while poking a =
rod down through the muck to feel for the road you get the feeling this =
will take some time. =20
Capt Bill Routh owner of "Off The Wall Dive Charters"( =
www.offthewalldiving.com ) had done 3 years of interviews and archives =
of old aerial soil assay pictures from the 60's. After endless hrs =
motoring around looking Bill contacted friends with a Side Scan Sonar , =
Jonathan Royer & Danelle Haley with Deep Seekers to help map the bottom. =
After a few days an area was located that showed what could be a bridge =
with a creek/river, the bridge was over what used to be White Water =
River that ran adjacent to a camp. An old photograph taken from someone =
standing on the bridge revealed a place called "Camp Jocassee". Camp =
Jocassee established in 1922 for girls ran until late 60's the summer =
before the DAM, it had a main building and residence for the camp owners =
and several concrete block cabins for the campers.The entrance to the =
camp was lined with stone walls with pillars on each side of a white =
picket fence gate as shown in the picture taken from the bridge looking =
toward the camp entrance.=20
I asked Jackie if I could help and the project was born. =
Jackie arranged for the charter with Capt Bill Routh owner of "Off The =
Wall Dive Charters"( www.offthewalldiving.com ) and I assembled the =
group, I had at first limited it to 8 divers. Knowing that many would =
back out once the time came near I allowed 12 to commit. Saying you can =
do a 300ft dive in cold water in very low vis and actually doing it are =
2 different things. The first only takes your mouth, the second takes =
much more.=20
As the date came within a week the excuses started rolling in, =
I even heard one guy say his wife was planning on getting pregnant that =
weekend and he wanted to be there when it happened, so he couldn't make =
the dive. (not really true, but sounds good don't it)=20
With the group down to 7 we headed to the lake, one guy said =
his engine blew up, so we were down to 6 at dive time.=20
Capt. Bill with Samantha Swenson as crew (who did a great job) =
dropped a shot line in what was believed to be the old creek bed, the =
level of the lake was low and the depth here was only 315ft, some trees =
remained on each side of the creek and we believed that we could scooter =
it until we found the bridge and a lift bag would be deployed and =
secured to the bridge, then a permanent line could then be attached to =
it.=20
Tom Sawicki, Bill Ripley and myself were tasked for this and =
geared up for the dive. The air temp had warmed up from the morning cool =
of 33, to a cool of around 43. We entered the water carrying all gas =
needed for the dive, we were diving gas mixes and tables recommended by =
Tom, I am not allowed to disclose the mixes and tables. The water temp =
was 65 on top down to 80ft and did a drop to 46 degrees, vis went from =
20ft down to 5ft around 200ft. Tom stopped at 225ft and called the dive =
during the descent, I could not understand why. Everyone returned Ok =
signs back to me and yet Tom still was calling the dive, I could not =
understand why. I asked Tom why and on his wet notes he wrote "VIS", I =
was pissed........ It is a standing rule that if one calls the dive we =
must all surface, but that did not mean I had to be happy about it. At =
one point I knocked my own mask off while moving stages around because I =
was so pissed. Once on the boat he explained that scootering in that low =
vis was not doable and we were getting to far apart for such low vis, he =
was correct, but we did not know it was that bad on the bottom yet, but =
later we would find he was right about that and was only concerned with =
every ones safety.=20
The plan was then changed and Jackie Smith, Charlie Johnson, =
and Rodney King (not that Rodney King) would go down another line that =
was dropped and hoped it had hooked the bridge(if it was there) or near =
it, hopefully not in the trees. We watched as they went down and could =
see they were not leaving the line. They surfaced to report that the =
hook had in fact snagged the bridge, but vis was less than 5ft.
With the first day gone, plans were made for the second day. =
Tom, Bill, Rodney, and myself would go down the line we left buoyed to =
the bridge,Tom would run a line from the bridge in a direction we =
believed the camp to be, Rodney would video, Bill and myself would stay =
near them and survey.=20
Once at the top of the bridge which was at 289ft I waited for =
everyone to show up, Rodney videoed while Tom and I secured the line to =
the bridge that would be run. Once everyone made the move away from the =
bridge I was at the rear and checked my gas(I was the only one using the =
same tanks from the first dive and they were less than full when we =
started, I had gave my second set of doubles to Tom to use). I had =
reached my turn pressure and returned to the bridge, vis was so bad they =
were not aware of this and I chose to remain close to the up line and =
just inspect the bridge to conserve gas. They returned with excitement =
in their eyes having run the line to a white picket fence that surrounds =
the camp which has stone pillars at the entrance and can be seen in the =
video, the reel was left on the fence for who ever goes next to run the =
line into the camp house which should be just inside.
Jackie and Charlie were tasked to take down a permanent line =
and chain it into the bridge that would be left for future dives, a keg =
was placed on the line 20ft under the surface and GPS coordinates were =
taken.=20
I will show the video at the VBtech meeting on Thursday and =
place photos on my site as soon as I can.
Hope you have enjoyed this report=20
Capt JT=20
=20
"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have =
to get in the water"=20
Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more=20
Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/=20
Email captjt@mi*.co*=20
"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to =
get in the water"
Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more=20
Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/
Email captjt@mi*.co*
"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get =
in the water"
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>JT:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I asked you why you were making fun of =
the people=20
who used good judgement and did not participate in your Lake Jocassee =
cluster=20
fuck.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Instead of defending your position, you =
proceeded=20
to yap about anything and everything, rather than answering a =
simple=20
question of why you belittled those who choose not to participate in =
your=20
stupidity.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Fact: You are an illiterate moron =
with no=20
scruples or ethics.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Fact: When caught in stupidity, =
you will do=20
anything possible to divert attention from it, especially trying to =
confuse=20
the issue by making disparaging remarks about those whose accomplisments =
you=20
could never approach. What ever transpired on the Britannic=20
Expedition has nothing to do with your continually setting a horrific =
example of=20
how not to conduct oneself in the dive community. Your likening =
yourself=20
to the Britannic team is beyond funny and comparing an alleged 490 foot, =
2 man=20
sand dive to a legitimate expedition is ludicrous.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I would also like to know what does an =
incident in=20
Brazil have to do with your stupidity in Lake Jocassee? I never =
cease to=20
be amazed at your inability to complete a =
thought. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Another EXTREMELY disgusting thing =
about you is the=20
way you gloat over "another diver from the team would die =
diving solo=20
in a cave". Does this make you happy? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Your version of the truth is not under=20
scrutiny. No one really cares to dispute it because it is not=20
significant. What is significant is the content of your dive=20
stories. Specifically, your profound inability to conduct a dive =
that does=20
not become some form of a SNAFU, shall we say. I hesitate to use =
CF again=20
because I do not like to be unnecessarily redundant, but there are not =
many=20
phrases that will adequately substitute for it. I trust you know =
what=20
SNAFU means. Just in case you do not, I will succinctly and subtly =
explain it to you. A SNAFU is how you politely describe =
someone=20
knocking his own mask off with a stage bottle out of frustration because =
his=20
buddy called the dive. BTW, a SNAFU becomes a CF when the one =
commiting=20
the SNAFU happens to be the leader of the dive. Now I realize =
that a=20
CF is the norm for anything you do, so perhaps if we call it a SNAFU you =
will be=20
better able to deal with it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>For example, when you were horrificly =
bent on the=20
Doria after solo-setting the hook (since you think you were the only one =
who=20
could do it), you said you behaved badly so you did not dive the rest of =
the=20
trip. Everyone knows you were just telling the JT =
"truth", and you=20
spent the rest of the trip on your bunk sucking on O2 when you should =
have been=20
flown out by the Coast Guard. This is similar to the NC trip where =
you=20
tied your deco bottles to the boat and got bent because you couldn't get =
back to=20
them. Actually, these are neither SNAFUs nor CFs. These =
fall=20
under the TARFU category. However, your attempt to embarrass =
and=20
cajole a diver into diving when they are saying they do not feel well =
(possible=20
DCS) is beyond any of this. That is FUBAR.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Now I realize that all of this is =
getting somewhat=20
complex, especially for a pea brain such as yourself, so I have created =
the=20
"BARKOMETER" scale of abominable behaviors. It goes like=20
this:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>SNAFU - A dive on which JT is a =
participant. =20
Invariably, something incredibly stupid will happen.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>CF - A SNAFU on which JT is the leader =
or=20
organizer. Most likely, a NDE (near death experience) =
will=20
occur.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>TARFU - A CF which is the fruit of =
a long 4=20
minute thought process by JT. Typically involves highly avoidable =
multiple=20
NDEs. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>FUBAR - A TARFU which is the =
result=20
of a malicious 3 minute thought process by JT. It is =
typically=20
preceeded by several TARFUs, and is done in an attempt to smokescreen =
the=20
multiple TARFUs that initially created the need for a=20
FUBAR.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In closing, JT, can I please have an =
order=20
of McNuggets, fries, a happy meal, a bottled water and extra =
napkins -- to=20
go? BTW - Make it snappy and I'll send a letter to get you into =
McDonalds=20
University. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Best regards.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Joe</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"Your a lair, fries don't come with=20
that."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2> &nbs=
p; =
; =20
Capt. JT Barker</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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<A title=3Dcaptjt@mi*.co* =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dgirvine@be*.ne*=20
href=3D"mailto:girvine@be*.ne*">girvine@bellsouth.net</A> ; <A=20
title=3Dvbtech@ci*.co*=20
href=3D"mailto:vbtech@ci*.co*">vbtech@cisatlantic.com</A> =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A =
title=3Dtechdiver@aquanaut.com=20
href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com">techdiver@aquanaut.com</A> ; <A =
title=3DFLTechDiver@mikey.net=20
href=3D"mailto:FLTechDiver@mikey.net">FLTechDiver@mikey.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, November 08,
2002 =
5:55=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Lake Jocassee =
Project</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><BR>I will only answer you this once, after that
you =
just try=20
and turn these things into a shouting match. Funny how I can write =
about a=20
dive and only the truth comes out in it. Just like I told the old =
short=20
guy....make what you want of it. <BR><BR>Also you want everyone to =
watch a TV=20
show that leaves out the accident. Lets put the facts out there. That =
team was=20
hand picked, the so called "dream team of diving", yet with all the =
planning,=20
ect. ect. a diver still got bent like a pretzel, I did not hear or see =
it in=20
the show or have anyone post from the trip that it happened and later =
another=20
diver from the team would die diving solo in a cave. These are just =
the=20
facts.<BR><BR>It is really great that GUE forces their instructors to =
have=20
good basic skills and even requires them to do a few real dives a year =
. But=20
to have good enough skills to become a GUE instructor is not enough to =
handle=20
the extreme stress of a 500ft dive, this was found out in the accident =
that=20
was reported on techdiver ( <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.aquanaut.com/bin/mlist/aquanaut/techdiver/display?5433=
0,from"=20
=
eudora=3D"autourl">http://www.aquanaut.com/bin/mlist/aquanaut/techdiver/d=
isplay?54330,from</A> =20
)of the GUE instructor his name was on this post and buddy who either =
panicked=20
or had a RB problem at depth, bolted, and got seriously bent. I hear =
there was=20
no mention of this on quest, was there a cover up so not to rattle the =
following? I give you permission to show my 490ft dive tape(since you =
have a=20
stolen copy) to all GUE instructors so they can see how a 2 man team =
does that=20
dive and no one gets hurt, they may have good enough skills to be the =
best=20
instructors, but at least one had trouble surviving a real =
dive.<BR><BR>I hear=20
you have been bashing Andrew over on quest pretty good, we all know =
none of=20
those GUE instructors will stand up to you. They depend on doing =
diving=20
instruction as a living and understand that when you shake that money =
tree on=20
these lists it will effect their income. I have met a lot of these =
guys and=20
they are just normal guys trying to make a buck.<BR><BR>I do not make =
a dime=20
off of diving and nothing you can do or say will effect me. So =
standing up to=20
you is just the right thing for me. When I call someone a "weenie", =
I'm right=20
on the mark........ The last diver I called that on this list which =
was over a=20
month ago has come and dived with me, he had 75 logged dives and is no =
match=20
for me or anyone in our group. He was actually better than I thought =
he would=20
be. Nice guy, he just will need a lot of dives and work to get where =
he wants=20
to be.<BR><BR>So where does all this take us.........the fact remains =
and will=20
always remain as long as people place their heads underwater someone =
will die,=20
even the best will have a problem sometime, getting them to admit it =
or that=20
it has happen is a hard thing to do . I have yet had to go to a =
chamber,=20
no one has died on any trip I am in charge of. To my knowledge few =
have done=20
more sub 300ft wreck dives than me. I only know a few divers who are =
more=20
tougher underwater than me in the conditions I dive in. And you ain't =
one of=20
them, I saw how that 53 degree water kicked your ass here on a 140ft =
dive.=20
Stick to the clear warm water in them caves and you will remain at the =
top and=20
can beat your chest. <BR><BR>I know you are going to blast a reply, I =
wouldn't=20
expect anything less, but don't expect a reply from me.<BR><BR>BTW do =
you plan=20
to have a recall on the wreck scooter so you can install the right =
clutch at=20
no cost that should have been installed in the first place. =
<BR><BR><BR> =20
At 06:17 AM 11/7/02 -0500, George Irvine wrote:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=3D"" type=3D"cite">Listen, "Capt JT" , this is really =
pathetic.=20
For one, you have so little skill and knowledge that it is =
laughable=20
when you discuss taking days to deal with this self-created =
clusterfuck that=20
would be nothing to a skilled diver. You calling people weenies is =
laughable=20
when I know for a fact that you would not know where to start =
with a=20
real dive. Your criticism of people who show proper judgment when =
faced with=20
one of your mindless dive plans is inexcusable stroke bullshit. I =
will=20
remind you that Jarrod and I both pulled the thumb on one of your =
ridiculous=20
dive plans after seeing your SWBS in action. Want to call the two of =
us=20
"weenies", Big Time?<BR><BR>The fact is that you and you alone are =
the=20
problem on all your dives - not only for yourself but for everyone =
around=20
you. I can not believe these guys still subject themselves to =
this.<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>By the way, as long as you are sending your reports to =
the=20
rest of the gang "to make changes if it is true or I am mistaken =
before I=20
post it", perhaps you could persuade one of them to edit out =
the=20
illiteracy so that the comedy of your stupidity does not divert =
attention=20
from the seriousness of the stroke example that you set. The =
problem is=20
that people are laughing at you on here, and you are not the least =
bit=20
funny. <FONT face=3Dtahoma>
<DL>
<DD>-----Original Message-----</FONT><FONT face=3Dtahoma =
size=3D2>=20
<DD>From: joe@po*.co* [<A =
href=3D"mailto:joe@po*.co*"=20
eudora=3D"autourl">mailto:joe@po*.co*</A>]=20
<DD>Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 11:22 PM=20
<DD>To: vbtech@ci*.co*; Capt JT=20
<DD>Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com; FLTechDiver@mikey.net=20
<DD>Subject: Re: Lake Jocassee
Project<BR><BR></FONT><FONT =
face=3Darial=20
size=3D2>
<DD>I do not doubt the veracity of the report. You =
couldn't have=20
made that up. I am talking about your ridicule of those =
whose=20
survival instincts prompted them to back out. I find that=20
offensive because it is a good way to push people into getting=20
themselves killed for fear of being criticized.</FONT>=20
<DD>
<DD>
<DD>
<DD>----- Original Message -----=20
<DD>From: <A href=3D"mailto:captjt@mi*.co*">Capt JT</A>=20
<DD>To: <A href=3D"mailto:joe@po*.co*">Joe</A> ; <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:vbtech@ci*.co*">vbtech@cisatlantic.com</A>=20
<DD>Cc: <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com">techdiver@aquanaut.com</A> ; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:FLTechDiver@mikey.net">FLTechDiver@mikey.net</A>=20
<DD>Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 7:46 PM=20
<DD>Subject: Re: Lake Jocassee Project<BR><BR>
<DD>Make what you want of it, everyone who was there and those =
who were=20
to go but didn't know the answers. Not one of them will post =
anything=20
different than what I say. Every report on dives I make is sent =
to those=20
on the trip and they have the option to make changes if it is =
true or I=20
am mistaken before I post it. <BR><BR>
<DD> At 07:25 PM 11/6/02 -0800, Joe wrote:<FONT =
face=3Darial size=3D2>=20
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=3D"" type=3D"cite">
<DD>JT:</FONT>=20
<DD><FONT face=3Darial size=3D2>
<DD>I love the way you try to make fun of the people that had =
more=20
sense than to dive with you, whether the reason was that the =
dive was=20
beyond their abilities and experience or that they just were =
using=20
good judgment and abiding by rules no. 1 and 2.</FONT>=20
<DD><FONT face=3Darial size=3D2>
<DD>You make the dive sound like a dare. What's up with=20
that?</FONT>=20
<DD><FONT face=3Darial size=3D2>
<DD>Best.</FONT>=20
<DD><FONT face=3Darial size=3D2>
<DD>Joe</FONT>=20
<DD>
<DD>
<DD>----- Original Message -----=20
<DD>From: <A href=3D"mailto:captjt@mi*.co*">Capt JT</A> =
<DD>To: <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:vbtech@ci*.co*">vbtech@cisatlantic.com</A>=20
<DD>Cc: <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com">techdiver@aquanaut.com</A> ; <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:FLTechDiver@mikey.net">FLTechDiver@mikey.net</A>=20
<DD>Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 11:19 AM=20
<DD>Subject: Lake Jocassee =
Project<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DD>Lake Jocassee is a dammed valley with depths at times to =
350ft.=20
After last years trip to the lake ( read about it here <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.aquanaut.com/bin/mlist/aquanaut/techdiver/display?5128=
0,from"=20
=
eudora=3D"autourl">http://www.aquanaut.com/bin/mlist/aquanaut/techdiver/d=
isplay?51280,from</A>=20
) a new project was born. When the valley was flooded around =
1968=20
several structures were left and is the bases for many rumors =
as to=20
what is still there and who left what. With forest, roads, =
peaks, and=20
who really knows what is down there, it was a challenge to =
find a=20
starting point to began a search for some of these rumored =
things.=20
<DD>Jackie Smith who has many dives to the lake had started to =
follow=20
a road that would lead him to a bridge, sound easy? Once you =
add in=20
the depth of 300ft and distance one might have to swim while =
poking a=20
rod down through the muck to feel for the road you get the =
feeling=20
this will take some time. <BR><BR>
<DD>Capt Bill Routh owner of "Off The Wall Dive Charters"( <A=20
href=3D"http://www.offthewalldiving.com/" =
eudora=3D"autourl"><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff>www.offthewalldiving.com</A></FONT> ) =
had done 3=20
years of interviews and archives of old aerial soil assay =
pictures=20
from the 60's. After endless hrs motoring around looking Bill=20
contacted friends with a Side Scan Sonar , Jonathan Royer =
&=20
Danelle Haley with Deep Seekers to help map the bottom. After =
a few=20
days an area was located that showed what could be a bridge =
with a=20
creek/river, the bridge was over what used to be White Water =
River=20
that ran adjacent to a camp. An old photograph taken from =
someone=20
standing on the bridge revealed a place called "Camp =
Jocassee". Camp=20
Jocassee established in 1922 for girls ran until late 60's the =
summer=20
before the DAM, it had a main building and residence for the =
camp=20
owners and several concrete block cabins for the campers.The =
entrance=20
to the camp was lined with stone walls with pillars on each =
side of a=20
white picket fence gate as shown in the picture taken from the =
bridge=20
looking toward the camp entrance.=20
<DD>I asked Jackie if I could help and the project was born. =
Jackie=20
arranged for the charter with Capt Bill Routh owner of "Off =
The Wall=20
Dive Charters"( <A href=3D"http://www.offthewalldiving.com/"=20
eudora=3D"autourl"><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff>www.offthewalldiving.com</A></FONT> ) =
and I=20
assembled the group, I had at first limited it to 8 divers. =
Knowing=20
that many would back out once the time came near I allowed 12 =
to=20
commit. Saying you can do a 300ft dive in cold water in very =
low vis=20
and actually doing it are 2 different things. The first only =
takes=20
your mouth, the second takes much more. <BR><BR>
<DD>As the date came within a week the excuses started rolling =
in, I=20
even heard one guy say his wife was planning on getting =
pregnant that=20
weekend and he wanted to be there when it happened, so he =
couldn't=20
make the dive. (not really true, but sounds good don't it)=20
<DD>With the group down to 7 we headed to the lake, one guy =
said his=20
engine blew up, so we were down to 6 at dive time.=20
<DD>Capt. Bill with Samantha Swenson as crew (who did a great =
job)=20
dropped a shot line in what was believed to be the old creek =
bed, the=20
level of the lake was low and the depth here was only 315ft, =
some=20
trees remained on each side of the creek and we believed that =
we could=20
scooter it until we found the bridge and a lift bag would be =
deployed=20
and secured to the bridge, then a permanent line could then be =
attached to it. <BR><BR>
<DD>Tom Sawicki, Bill Ripley and myself were tasked for this =
and=20
geared up for the dive. The air temp had warmed up from the =
morning=20
cool of 33, to a cool of around 43. We entered the water =
carrying all=20
gas needed for the dive, we were diving gas mixes and tables=20
recommended by Tom, I am not allowed to disclose the mixes and =
tables.=20
The water temp was 65 on top down to 80ft and did a drop to 46 =
degrees, vis went from 20ft down to 5ft around 200ft. Tom =
stopped at=20
225ft and called the dive during the descent, I could not =
understand=20
why. Everyone returned Ok signs back to me and yet Tom still =
was=20
calling the dive, I could not understand why. I asked Tom why =
and on=20
his wet notes he wrote "VIS", I was pissed........ It is a =
standing=20
rule that if one calls the dive we must all surface, but that =
did not=20
mean I had to be happy about it. At one point I knocked my own =
mask=20
off while moving stages around because I was so pissed. Once =
on the=20
boat he explained that scootering in that low vis was not =
doable and=20
we were getting to far apart for such low vis, he was correct, =
but we=20
did not know it was that bad on the bottom yet, but later we =
would=20
find he was right about that and was only concerned with every =
ones=20
safety. <BR><BR>
<DD>The plan was then changed and Jackie Smith, Charlie =
Johnson, and=20
Rodney King (not that Rodney King) would go down another line =
that was=20
dropped and hoped it had hooked the bridge(if it was there) or =
near=20
it, hopefully not in the trees. We watched as they went down =
and could=20
see they were not leaving the line. They surfaced to report =
that the=20
hook had in fact snagged the bridge, but vis was less than=20
5ft.<BR><BR>
<DD>With the first day gone, plans were made for the second =
day. Tom,=20
Bill, Rodney, and myself would go down the line we left buoyed =
to the=20
bridge,Tom would run a line from the bridge in a direction we =
believed=20
the camp to be, Rodney would video, Bill and myself would stay =
near=20
them and survey. <BR><BR>
<DD>Once at the top of the bridge which was at 289ft I waited =
for=20
everyone to show up, Rodney videoed while Tom and I secured =
the line=20
to the bridge that would be run. Once everyone made the move =
away from=20
the bridge I was at the rear and checked my gas(I was the only =
one=20
using the same tanks from the first dive and they were less =
than full=20
when we started, I had gave my second set of doubles to Tom to =
use). I=20
had reached my turn pressure and returned to the bridge, vis =
was so=20
bad they were not aware of this and I chose to remain close to =
the up=20
line and just inspect the bridge to conserve gas. They =
returned with=20
excitement in their eyes having run the line to a white picket =
fence=20
that surrounds the camp which has stone pillars at the =
entrance and=20
can be seen in the video, the reel was left on the fence for =
who ever=20
goes next to run the line into the camp house which should be =
just=20
inside.<BR><BR>
<DD>Jackie and Charlie were tasked to take down a permanent =
line and=20
chain it into the bridge that would be left for future dives, =
a keg=20
was placed on the line 20ft under the surface and GPS =
coordinates were=20
taken. <BR><BR>
<DD>I will show the video at the VBtech meeting on Thursday =
and place=20
photos on my site as soon as I can.<BR><BR>
<DD>Hope you have enjoyed this report=20
<DD>Capt JT
<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DD> =
<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DD>"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you =
have to=20
get in the water"<FONT color=3D#0000ff>=20
<DD>Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast =
& more=20
<DD> Web Site <A href=3D"http://www.capt-jt.com/"=20
eudora=3D"autourl">http://www.capt-jt.com/</A>=20
<DD>Email captjt@mi*.co*</FONT> =
</DD></BLOCKQUOTE></DD></DL><BR><BR><BR><BR>"You can't
learn to =
dive on=20
the net, sooner or later you have to get in the water"<BR><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff>Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East =
Coast &=20
more <BR> Web Site <A href=3D"http://www.capt-jt.com/"=20
=
eudora=3D"autourl">http://www.capt-jt.com/</A><BR>Email =
=20
=
captjt@mi*.co*</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>"Yo
u =
can't=20
learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in the=20
water"<BR><FONT color=3D#0000ff><U>Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving =
along the=20
East Coast & more <BR> Web Site <A=20
href=3D"http://www.capt-jt.com/" =
eudora=3D"autourl">http://www.capt-jt.com</A><A=20
href=3D"http://www.capt-jt.com/"=20
eudora=3D"autourl">/<BR></A>Email =20
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