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Listen, "Capt JT" , this is really pathetic. For one, you have so little
skill and knowledge that it is laughable when you discuss taking days to
deal with this self-created clusterfuck that would be nothing to a skilled
diver. You calling people weenies is laughable when I know for a fact that
you would not know where to start with a real dive. Your criticism of
people who show proper judgment when faced with one of your mindless dive
plans is inexcusable stroke bullshit. I will remind you that Jarrod and I
both pulled the thumb on one of your ridiculous dive plans after seeing your
SWBS in action. Want to call the two of us "weenies", Big Time?
The fact is that you and you alone are the problem on all your dives - not
only for yourself but for everyone around you. I can not believe these guys
still subject themselves to this.
By the way, as long as you are sending your reports to the rest of the gang
"to make changes if it is true or I am mistaken before I post it", perhaps
you could persuade one of them to edit out the illiteracy so that the comedy
of your stupidity does not divert attention from the seriousness of the
stroke example that you set. The problem is that people are laughing at you
on here, and you are not the least bit funny.
-----Original Message-----
From: joe@po*.co* [mailto:joe@po*.co*]
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 11:22 PM
To: vbtech@ci*.co*; Capt JT
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com; FLTechDiver@mikey.net
Subject: Re: Lake Jocassee Project
I do not doubt the veracity of the report. You couldn't have made that
up. I am talking about your ridicule of those whose survival instincts
prompted them to back out. I find that offensive because it is a good way
to push people into getting themselves killed for fear of being criticized.
----- Original Message -----
From: Capt JT
To: Joe ; vbtech@ci*.co*
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com ; FLTechDiver@mikey.net
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: Lake Jocassee Project
Make what you want of it, everyone who was there and those who were to
go but didn't know the answers. Not one of them will post anything different
than what I say. Every report on dives I make is sent to those on the trip
and they have the option to make changes if it is true or I am mistaken
before I post it.
At 07:25 PM 11/6/02 -0800, Joe wrote:
JT:
I love the way you try to make fun of the people that had more sense
than to dive with you, whether the reason was that the dive was beyond their
abilities and experience or that they just were using good judgment and
abiding by rules no. 1 and 2.
You make the dive sound like a dare. What's up with that?
Best.
Joe
----- Original Message -----
From: Capt JT
To: vbtech@ci*.co*
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com ; FLTechDiver@mikey.net
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 11:19 AM
Subject: Lake Jocassee Project
Lake Jocassee is a dammed valley with depths at times to 350ft.
After last years trip to the lake ( read about it here
http://www.aquanaut.com/bin/mlist/aquanaut/techdiver/display?51280,from ) a
new project was born. When the valley was flooded around 1968 several
structures were left and is the bases for many rumors as to what is still
there and who left what. With forest, roads, peaks, and who really knows
what is down there, it was a challenge to find a starting point to began a
search for some of these rumored things.
Jackie Smith who has many dives to the lake had started to follow
a road that would lead him to a bridge, sound easy? Once you add in the
depth of 300ft and distance one might have to swim while poking a rod down
through the muck to feel for the road you get the feeling this will take
some time.
Capt Bill Routh owner of "Off The Wall Dive Charters"(
www.offthewalldiving.com ) had done 3 years of interviews and archives of
old aerial soil assay pictures from the 60's. After endless hrs motoring
around looking Bill contacted friends with a Side Scan Sonar , Jonathan
Royer & Danelle Haley with Deep Seekers to help map the bottom. After a few
days an area was located that showed what could be a bridge with a
creek/river, the bridge was over what used to be White Water River that ran
adjacent to a camp. An old photograph taken from someone standing on the
bridge revealed a place called "Camp Jocassee". Camp Jocassee established in
1922 for girls ran until late 60's the summer before the DAM, it had a main
building and residence for the camp owners and several concrete block cabins
for the campers.The entrance to the camp was lined with stone walls with
pillars on each side of a white picket fence gate as shown in the picture
taken from the bridge looking toward the camp entrance.
I asked Jackie if I could help and the project was born. Jackie
arranged for the charter with Capt Bill Routh owner of "Off The Wall Dive
Charters"( www.offthewalldiving.com ) and I assembled the group, I had at
first limited it to 8 divers. Knowing that many would back out once the time
came near I allowed 12 to commit. Saying you can do a 300ft dive in cold
water in very low vis and actually doing it are 2 different things. The
first only takes your mouth, the second takes much more.
As the date came within a week the excuses started rolling in, I
even heard one guy say his wife was planning on getting pregnant that
weekend and he wanted to be there when it happened, so he couldn't make the
dive. (not really true, but sounds good don't it)
With the group down to 7 we headed to the lake, one guy said his
engine blew up, so we were down to 6 at dive time.
Capt. Bill with Samantha Swenson as crew (who did a great job)
dropped a shot line in what was believed to be the old creek bed, the level
of the lake was low and the depth here was only 315ft, some trees remained
on each side of the creek and we believed that we could scooter it until we
found the bridge and a lift bag would be deployed and secured to the bridge,
then a permanent line could then be attached to it.
Tom Sawicki, Bill Ripley and myself were tasked for this and
geared up for the dive. The air temp had warmed up from the morning cool of
33, to a cool of around 43. We entered the water carrying all gas needed for
the dive, we were diving gas mixes and tables recommended by Tom, I am not
allowed to disclose the mixes and tables. The water temp was 65 on top down
to 80ft and did a drop to 46 degrees, vis went from 20ft down to 5ft around
200ft. Tom stopped at 225ft and called the dive during the descent, I could
not understand why. Everyone returned Ok signs back to me and yet Tom still
was calling the dive, I could not understand why. I asked Tom why and on his
wet notes he wrote "VIS", I was pissed........ It is a standing rule that if
one calls the dive we must all surface, but that did not mean I had to be
happy about it. At one point I knocked my own mask off while moving stages
around because I was so pissed. Once on the boat he explained that
scootering in that low vis was not doable and we were getting to far apart
for such low vis, he was correct, but we did not know it was that bad on the
bottom yet, but later we would find he was right about that and was only
concerned with every ones safety.
The plan was then changed and Jackie Smith, Charlie Johnson, and
Rodney King (not that Rodney King) would go down another line that was
dropped and hoped it had hooked the bridge(if it was there) or near it,
hopefully not in the trees. We watched as they went down and could see they
were not leaving the line. They surfaced to report that the hook had in fact
snagged the bridge, but vis was less than 5ft.
With the first day gone, plans were made for the second day. Tom,
Bill, Rodney, and myself would go down the line we left buoyed to the
bridge,Tom would run a line from the bridge in a direction we believed the
camp to be, Rodney would video, Bill and myself would stay near them and
survey.
Once at the top of the bridge which was at 289ft I waited for
everyone to show up, Rodney videoed while Tom and I secured the line to the
bridge that would be run. Once everyone made the move away from the bridge I
was at the rear and checked my gas(I was the only one using the same tanks
from the first dive and they were less than full when we started, I had gave
my second set of doubles to Tom to use). I had reached my turn pressure and
returned to the bridge, vis was so bad they were not aware of this and I
chose to remain close to the up line and just inspect the bridge to conserve
gas. They returned with excitement in their eyes having run the line to a
white picket fence that surrounds the camp which has stone pillars at the
entrance and can be seen in the video, the reel was left on the fence for
who ever goes next to run the line into the camp house which should be just
inside.
Jackie and Charlie were tasked to take down a permanent line and
chain it into the bridge that would be left for future dives, a keg was
placed on the line 20ft under the surface and GPS coordinates were taken.
I will show the video at the VBtech meeting on Thursday and place
photos on my site as soon as I can.
Hope you have enjoyed this report
Capt JT
"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to
get in the water"
Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more
Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/
Email captjt@mi*.co*
"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get
in the water"
Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more
Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/
Email captjt@mi*.co*
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<P>Listen, <SPAN class=3D314590411-07112002>"Capt JT"</SPAN> ,
this =
is really=20
pathetic. For one, you have so little skill and<SPAN=20
class=3D314590411-07112002> </SPAN> knowledge that it is laughable =
when you=20
discuss taking days to deal with<SPAN class=3D314590411-07112002> this=20
self-created clusterfuck that </SPAN>would be nothing to a skilled =
diver.=20
You calling people weenies is<SPAN=20
class=3D314590411-07112002> </SPAN>laughable when I know for a fact =
that you=20
would not know where to start with<SPAN =
class=3D314590411-07112002> </SPAN> a=20
real dive. Your criticism of people who show proper judgment <SPAN=20
class=3D314590411-07112002>when faced with one of your mindless dive =
plans=20
</SPAN>is<SPAN class=3D314590411-07112002> </SPAN>inexcusable =
st<SPAN=20
class=3D314590411-07112002>r</SPAN>oke bullshit<SPAN=20
class=3D314590411-07112002>. I will remind you that Jarrod and I =
both pulled=20
the thumb on one of your ridiculous dive plans after seeing your SWBS in =
action.=20
Want to call the two of us "weenies", Big Time?</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=3D314590411-07112002>The fact is that you and you alone =
are the=20
problem on all your dives - not only for yourself but for everyone =
around you. I=20
can not believe these guys still subject themselves to this.</SPAN></P>
<P>By the way, as long as you are sending your reports to the rest of =
the=20
gang<SPAN class=3D314590411-07112002> </SPAN>"to make changes if it =
is true=20
or I am mistaken before I post it", perhaps<SPAN=20
class=3D314590411-07112002> </SPAN> you could persuade one of them =
to edit=20
out the illiteracy so that the comedy of your stupidity does not divert=20
attention from the seriousness of the<SPAN=20
class=3D314590411-07112002> </SPAN>stroke example that you =
set.<SPAN=20
class=3D314590411-07112002> The problem is that people are laughing at =
you on=20
here, and you are not the least bit funny. </SPAN></P></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2><FONT size=3D3>-----Original =
Message-----<BR></FONT><B>From:</B>=20
joe@po*.co* [mailto:joe@po*.co*]<BR><B>Sent:</B> =
Wednesday,=20
November 06, 2002 11:22 PM<BR><B>To:</B> vbtech@ci*.co*; Capt=20
JT<BR><B>Cc:</B> techdiver@aquanaut.com;=20
FLTechDiver@mikey.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Lake Jocassee=20
Project<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I do not doubt the veracity of the =
report. =20
You couldn't have made that up. I am talking about your ridicule =
of=20
those whose survival instincts prompted them to back out. I find =
that=20
offensive because it is a good way to push people into getting =
themselves=20
killed for fear of being criticized.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dcaptjt@mi*.co* =
href=3D"mailto:captjt@mi*.co*">Capt=20
JT</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Djoe@po*.co*=20
href=3D"mailto:joe@po*.co*">Joe</A> ; <A =
title=3Dvbtech@ci*.co*=20
href=3D"mailto:vbtech@ci*.co*">vbtech@cisatlantic.com</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A =
title=3Dtechdiver@aquanaut.com=20
href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com">techdiver@aquanaut.com</A> ; =
<A=20
title=3DFLTechDiver@mikey.net=20
href=3D"mailto:FLTechDiver@mikey.net">FLTechDiver@mikey.net</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November
06, =
2002 7:46=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Lake
Jocassee=20
Project</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Make what you want of it, everyone who was there
and =
those=20
who were to go but didn't know the answers. Not one of them will =
post=20
anything different than what I say. Every report on dives I make is =
sent to=20
those on the trip and they have the option to make changes if it is =
true or=20
I am mistaken before I post it. <BR><BR> At 07:25 PM 11/6/02 =
-0800, Joe=20
wrote:<BR><FONT face=3Darial size=3D2>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"
cite=3D"">JT:</FONT><BR> <BR><FONT =
face=3Darial=20
size=3D2>I love the way you try to make fun of the people that had =
more=20
sense than to dive with you, whether the reason was that the dive =
was=20
beyond their abilities and experience or that they just were using =
good=20
judgment and abiding by rules no. 1 and =
2.</FONT><BR> <BR><FONT=20
face=3Darial size=3D2>You make the dive sound like a dare. =
What's up=20
with that?</FONT><BR> <BR><FONT face=3Darial=20
size=3D2>Best.</FONT><BR> <BR><FONT face=3Darial=20
size=3D2>Joe</FONT><BR> <BR> <BR>----- Original
Message =
-----=20
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<DL>
<DD>From:</B> <A href=3D"mailto:captjt@mi*.co*">Capt =
JT</A>=20
<DD>To:</B> <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:vbtech@ci*.co*">vbtech@cisatlantic.com</A>=20
<DD>Cc:</B> <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com">techdiver@aquanaut.com</A> ; <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:FLTechDiver@mikey.net">FLTechDiver@mikey.net</A>=20
<DD>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 06, 2002 11:19 AM=20
<DD>Subject:</B> Lake Jocassee
Project<BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DD>Lake Jocassee is a dammed valley with depths at times to =
350ft.=20
After last years trip to the lake ( read about it here <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.aquanaut.com/bin/mlist/aquanaut/techdiver/display?5128=
0,from"=20
=
eudora=3D"autourl">http://www.aquanaut.com/bin/mlist/aquanaut/techdiver/d=
isplay?51280,from</A>=20
) a new project was born. When the valley was flooded around =
1968=20
several structures were left and is the bases for many rumors =
as to=20
what is still there and who left what. With forest, roads, =
peaks, and=20
who really knows what is down there, it was a challenge to =
find a=20
starting point to began a search for some of these rumored=20
things.<BR><BR>
<DD>Jackie Smith who has many dives to the lake had started to =
follow=20
a road that would lead him to a bridge, sound easy? Once you =
add in=20
the depth of 300ft and distance one might have to swim while =
poking a=20
rod down through the muck to feel for the road you get the =
feeling=20
this will take some time. <BR><BR>
<DD>Capt Bill Routh owner of "Off The Wall Dive Charters"( <A=20
href=3D"http://www.offthewalldiving.com/" =
eudora=3D"autourl"><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff>www.offthewalldiving.com</A></FONT></U> =
) had done=20
3 years of interviews and archives of old aerial soil assay =
pictures=20
from the 60's. After endless hrs motoring around looking Bill=20
contacted friends with a Side Scan Sonar , Jonathan Royer =
&=20
Danelle Haley with Deep Seekers to help map the bottom. After =
a few=20
days an area was located that showed what could be a bridge =
with a=20
creek/river, the bridge was over what used to be White Water =
River=20
that ran adjacent to a camp. An old photograph taken from =
someone=20
standing on the bridge revealed a place called "Camp =
Jocassee". Camp=20
Jocassee established in 1922 for girls ran until late 60's the =
summer=20
before the DAM, it had a main building and residence for the =
camp=20
owners and several concrete block cabins for the campers.The =
entrance=20
to the camp was lined with stone walls with pillars on each =
side of a=20
white picket fence gate as shown in the picture taken from the =
bridge=20
looking toward the camp entrance.=20
<DD>
<DD>I asked Jackie if I could help and the project was born. =
Jackie=20
arranged for the charter with Capt Bill Routh owner of "Off =
The Wall=20
Dive Charters"( <A href=3D"http://www.offthewalldiving.com/"=20
eudora=3D"autourl"><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff>www.offthewalldiving.com</A></FONT></U> =
) and I=20
assembled the group, I had at first limited it to 8 divers. =
Knowing=20
that many would back out once the time came near I allowed 12 =
to=20
commit. Saying you can do a 300ft dive in cold water in very =
low vis=20
and actually doing it are 2 different things. The first only =
takes=20
your mouth, the second takes much more. <BR><BR>
<DD>As the date came within a week the excuses started rolling =
in, I=20
even heard one guy say his wife was planning on getting =
pregnant that=20
weekend and he wanted to be there when it happened, so he =
couldn't=20
make the dive. (not really true, but sounds good don't it)=20
<DD>With the group down to 7 we headed to the lake, one guy =
said his=20
engine blew up, so we were down to 6 at dive time.=20
<DD>Capt. Bill with Samantha Swenson as crew (who did a great =
job)=20
dropped a shot line in what was believed to be the old creek =
bed, the=20
level of the lake was low and the depth here was only 315ft, =
some=20
trees remained on each side of the creek and we believed that =
we could=20
scooter it until we found the bridge and a lift bag would be =
deployed=20
and secured to the bridge, then a permanent line could then be =
attached to it. <BR><BR>
<DD>Tom Sawicki, Bill Ripley and myself were tasked for this =
and=20
geared up for the dive. The air temp had warmed up from the =
morning=20
cool of 33, to a cool of around 43. We entered the water =
carrying all=20
gas needed for the dive, we were diving gas mixes and tables=20
recommended by Tom, I am not allowed to disclose the mixes and =
tables.=20
The water temp was 65 on top down to 80ft and did a drop to 46 =
degrees, vis went from 20ft down to 5ft around 200ft. Tom =
stopped at=20
225ft and called the dive during the descent, I could not =
understand=20
why. Everyone returned Ok signs back to me and yet Tom still =
was=20
calling the dive, I could not understand why. I asked Tom why =
and on=20
his wet notes he wrote "VIS", I was pissed........ It is a =
standing=20
rule that if one calls the dive we must all surface, but that =
did not=20
mean I had to be happy about it. At one point I knocked my own =
mask=20
off while moving stages around because I was so pissed. Once =
on the=20
boat he explained that scootering in that low vis was not =
doable and=20
we were getting to far apart for such low vis, he was correct, =
but we=20
did not know it was that bad on the bottom yet, but later we =
would=20
find he was right about that and was only concerned with every =
ones=20
safety. <BR><BR>
<DD>The plan was then changed and Jackie Smith, Charlie =
Johnson, and=20
Rodney King (not that Rodney King) would go down another line =
that was=20
dropped and hoped it had hooked the bridge(if it was there) or =
near=20
it, hopefully not in the trees. We watched as they went down =
and could=20
see they were not leaving the line. They surfaced to report =
that the=20
hook had in fact snagged the bridge, but vis was less than=20
5ft.<BR><BR>
<DD>With the first day gone, plans were made for the second =
day. Tom,=20
Bill, Rodney, and myself would go down the line we left buoyed =
to the=20
bridge,Tom would run a line from the bridge in a direction we =
believed=20
the camp to be, Rodney would video, Bill and myself would stay =
near=20
them and survey. <BR><BR>
<DD>Once at the top of the bridge which was at 289ft I waited =
for=20
everyone to show up, Rodney videoed while Tom and I secured =
the line=20
to the bridge that would be run. Once everyone made the move =
away from=20
the bridge I was at the rear and checked my gas(I was the only =
one=20
using the same tanks from the first dive and they were less =
than full=20
when we started, I had gave my second set of doubles to Tom to =
use). I=20
had reached my turn pressure and returned to the bridge, vis =
was so=20
bad they were not aware of this and I chose to remain close to =
the up=20
line and just inspect the bridge to conserve gas. They =
returned with=20
excitement in their eyes having run the line to a white picket =
fence=20
that surrounds the camp which has stone pillars at the =
entrance and=20
can be seen in the video, the reel was left on the fence for =
who ever=20
goes next to run the line into the camp house which should be =
just=20
inside.<BR><BR>
<DD>Jackie and Charlie were tasked to take down a permanent =
line and=20
chain it into the bridge that would be left for future dives, =
a keg=20
was placed on the line 20ft under the surface and GPS =
coordinates were=20
taken. <BR><BR>
<DD>I will show the video at the VBtech meeting on Thursday =
and place=20
photos on my site as soon as I can.<BR><BR>
<DD>Hope you have enjoyed this report=20
<DD>Capt JT <BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DD> <BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DD>"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you =
have to=20
get in the water"<FONT color=3D#0000ff>=20
<DD>Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast =
& more=20
<DD> Web Site <A href=3D"http://www.capt-jt.com/"=20
eudora=3D"autourl">http://www.capt-jt.com/</A>=20
<DD>Email captjt@mi*.co*</FONT> =
</DD></DL></U></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>"You can't learn
to dive on =
the net,=20
sooner or later you have to get in the water"<BR><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff><U>Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East =
Coast=20
& more <BR> Web Site <A =
href=3D"http://www.capt-jt.com/"=20
eudora=3D"autourl">http://www.capt-jt.com</A><A=20
href=3D"http://www.capt-jt.com/"=20
eudora=3D"autourl">/<BR></A>Email =20
=
captjt@mi*.co*<BR><BR></FONT></U></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><
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