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Hi All, I'm not John and I am not going to dispute DIR, it is a very good thought out and proven system. Although there are other teams doing some interesting stuff without adopting DIR, it does not invalidate DIR in anyway and visa versa. People dive DIR or they don't. I have adopted some bits of DIR, but am not DIR and do not intend to be. I'm far more interested in being underwater than worrying about it. Steel tanks though... In the US you have these monstrosities called "low pressure steel tanks" i.e. 180 bar. They are very negative. You'd be silly to dive in a 3 mil short with them coz you'll sink. In this case an AL80 would be a far better choice. In Australia, most people use Fabers 232 bar cylinders (tanks are for army men) and AFAIK 180bar steelies would be illegal unless you paid to have them approved. I own two 10.5L 232 bar Fabers (85cuft). I have never found getting fills to 232 bar (or even higher) much of a problem and even filled to 200 bar they carry more than enough gas for the diving I do. With my 5 mil semi-dry, I wear 15lbs when diving a single AND freediving/spearfishing (no spearing on scuba in NSW) � so it seems that from a buoyancy perspective they are pretty good i.e. pretty neutral! When twinned, I wear 3lbs in the same wetsuit and can swim up from 50M (most of my diving) without the wing inflated or dropping any weight and without much effort� So the problem with diving in a wetsuit and steels in this case is? (genuine question) Also, if I were to dive AL80s I�d have to add more weight, usually seems to be 3lbs. As, DIR appears to encourage not having droppable weight, how does this benefit me in the event of a wing failure? (again a genuine question) To be honest I think, for what it is worth, that the blanket use alis with a wetsuit rule has the potential to discourage people from learning about the concept of buoyancy (not to be confused with the skill buoyancy) properly. Although as a rule, it is without a doubt safe. BTW... I�m not talking about stages here. Alis are definitely the way to go with stages. Year round drysuit � nothing wrong with that as long as you are not dumb enough to overheat. Redundant wings � they work, but DIR says "No! they�ll kill you". I very much doubt that, but at the same time there is a better way (i.e. drysuit), so why bother in the first place? Oh, and Gene, you have obviously learned a lot after 65 dives, keep up the rhetoric! Cheers, Si. >From: "John R. Strohm" <strohm@ai*.ne*> >To: <techdiver@aquanaut.com> >Subject: Re: Nazi's >Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:06:34 -0500 > >OK, John, having spoken up, having said "I do think open water items such >as Aluminum 80s vs. steel, year around dry suite, redundant wings, etc., >need review," let's hear your cases on each of > > - Aluminum 80s vs. steel in open water > - year around [sic] dry suite [sic] in open water > - redundant wings in open water > >You say "etc.," implying that you have other issues as well. You have the >floor, we're handing you the rope. We'll even let you tie your own knot >before you hang yourself. > >And while you're at it... Trey's background, experience, and track record >is well-known around the world of net diving. Yours may not be, so it >would be useful for us to hear something about your background and >experience. What is it about your diving resume that makes you someone we >should listen to, AS OPPOSED TO TREY? > >I mean precisely that. Where you and Trey agree, we are guaranteed to be >in accord with you if we just ignore you on those points and listen to what >Trey has to say. You appear to disagree with Trey on some things, and you >appear to think that we should agree with you on them, and hence disagree >with Trey on those points. Bluntly: Why should we listen to you? > >John, this is the test. When I (as in me personally, in correspondence >dating back almost seven years now) ask Trey why he does what he does, why >he recommends what he recommends, he always gives me a detailed answer, and >he has NEVER given me any kind of extraneous attitude. You are getting the >same opportunity to explain, IN DETAIL, why you disagree with him. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: JWSAVN@ao*.co* > To: techdiver@aquanaut.com > Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 9:02 AM > Subject: Nazi's > > > I think Chris Richardson says it well, particularly on the " wanna-bees >". My issues in the past have not been so much over the message but the >delivery. I do think open water items such as Aluminum 80s vs. steel, year >around dry suite, redundant wings, etc., need review. > John Simon Naunton snaunton@ho*.co* _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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