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"I myself cannot possibly afford to buy all the correct diving equipment
recommended by the DIR philosophy "

So you want to buy a useless dive computer that costs more than the entire
DIR rig? There is no cost to a "DIR" rig other than if you are replacing
garbage like the computer you were asking about. Really, a backplate and
wings are the cheapest thing going, and there is no charge for arranging the
rest of the gear properly.

So you know not to do stupid things but you do them anyway? What are we
supposed to "learn" from that? Have you put your hand on a hot stove lately?

You have two small children? You are not a stroke, you are an irresponsible
moron.

I had two small children the whole time I have been doing my diving. They
are grown up now, and I am still here. Figure it out. Usually, the really
stupid stuff is done by people with no family, no children, no parents, no
life, no real job and nothing to lose ( like JT). You have no excuse. If you
want to hear about CFs on a weekly basis, subscribe to the VA tech list or
Rec Scuba.

Doesn't Manos live on Cyprus? Go talk to him and get straightened out.

 sage-----
From: De La Mare [mailto:delamare@sp*.co*.cy*]
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 12:18 PM
To: Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com
Subject: Dive forum



  I first subscribed to this technical forum because I believed it was a
place I could learn from others who have been diving  a lot longer than I
have.
  However, in the few months I have been on it I have realized that it is a
place where no one dares to talk freely about their own equipment use or of
the problems they have encountered during dives.

  Surely we are all in the same boat, we want to learn more from each others
successes and failures during dives. No one should be afraid to talk about
anything concerning technical diving. If during you dive last weekend you
encountered a problem this surely should be the place to talk about it and
share it with others, so maybe we can learn from each others mistakes.

  Clearly this is not the case at all because we are all afraid of that word
stroke !!
  We all started from the beginning, strokes maybe. I myself cannot possibly
afford to buy all the correct diving equipment recommended by the DIR
philosophy which I strongly believe is the correct way of diving in this new
era. I have a none diving wife and two young children and diving is simply a
hobby to me. If I went out and bought all the equipment I believe is best
for my dives I would be a single man paying child support. So for now I must
contend to dive with some of my equipment being substandard until I can
afford the  parts I want.

  Should I stop diving until I have every piece of equipment that is DIR
approved. I think Mr. Irvine might say yes, but I say no.
  I will continue to dive but there are dives I simply cannot do until I am
happy that I have the correct equipment to make my dives as safe as
possible.

  What is really lacking  in this forum is people talking about diving. Any
one who has made over 300 dives must surely have had near misses underwater.
Surely its not a perfect science. I for one want to be able to read about
it, so please lets stop being afraid of the Big Guns around here who are
ready to shoot us dead as soon as we admit to failure.
  Two weeks ago I was diving on a wreck I have made over 200 dives on and
believe I know so well and feel so at home on, but I made a fundamental
mistake and broke  two rules. I have no excuses for it and I should no
better.
  I share it with you guys now and hope others may be less afraid to admit
their errors here.
  I went solo diving  and entered a wreck at 40m and made my way to the
engine room. I have been their at least 10 times and know the route well. It
also has a fixed line leading you there and back and is not too difficult.
During my dive there were about 40 other divers on the wreck all tourists
being led by dive schools in the area.
  While I was in the engine room a group of divers entered one of the small
rooms that I had to pass through on my return to the exit. While they were
in there they completely destroyed the vis and when I came back into that
room I became completely disorientated and for 3 minutes I was lost and
could not find the exit door out even though   there was a fixed line. I
held on to the line and repeated to myself over and over not to panic, I
know this room well and I know the exit is there. I did find it and I
survived but had I panicked I may not be here now.
  Even though there is a permanent line fixed leading from the lower car
deck to the engine room I still should have deployed my own line.
  I have learnt my lesson perhaps the hard way, and now I share it with you.
Perhaps I may make others like myself who think that being totally familiar
with a wreck doesn't mean you can break the fundamental rules of
penetration.

  I want to thank all those who answered my request for information on the
VR3. I found what I wanted to know. However thanks to some of you guys I
have come to the conclusion I have no need of this computer. My dives are
square dives, I need only the planner and a slate and a reasonable back up
computer. I will save my money and buy the HID 18 watt which I have long
coveted but never been able to afford.

  Andre De La Mare (Cyprus)

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size=3D2>sage-----<BR><B>From:</B> De La Mare=20
[mailto:delamare@sp*.co*.cy*]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 27, =
2002=20
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>However, in the few months I have =
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Surely we are all in the same boat, =
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Clearly this is not the case at all =
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strokes maybe.=20
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equipment=20
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children=20
  and diving is simply a hobby to me. If I went out and bought all the =
equipment=20
  I believe is best for my dives I would be a single man paying child =
support.=20
  So for now I must contend to dive with some of my equipment being =
substandard=20
  until I can afford the  parts I want.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV> </DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Should I stop diving until I have =
every piece of=20
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I say=20
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I will continue to dive but there are =
dives I=20
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make my=20
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  <DIV> </DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I went solo diving  and entered =
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slate and a=20
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