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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02F5_01C24DE5.C29B4380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 It is always pretty amusing to read some of the posts on this list. = Many in the DIR crowd are often times accused of being bombastic, = abusive or [insert adjective of choice], and we hear very often that so = and so turns people off, and that the messenger turns people off to the = message, or whatever other common excuse is convenient to ignore the = benefits associated with the "holistic" DIR system. Many are tempted to = offer that if the information were presented in a kinder and gentler = fashion that some would be more willing to accept it, other's offer that = they "like parts of the system" so they justify their personal = preferences by convincing themselves that they are "almost" DIR, or = "working towards" DIR. Differences of opinion often times spark some = unusually spirited discussions that generally veer off into the = ridiculous and more often then not obfuscates the core issues. I = recently took the time to do an archive search on aquanaut and simply = decided to type in the word "fatality" to see what would turn up. =20 If you dismiss the lofty rhetoric and focus in on the core message [in = other word's, try to be objective for a second] I think you'll find = something interesting. The common theme is George dissecting each = fatality and some in the anti-DIR crowd, more often then not Tom Mount, = justifying the deviation from DIR protocol directly in the face of the = fatality. Whether it be the "poodle jacket" deco reg's, color-coded = tank marking scheme's, deep-air, solo, heart attack's or whatever the = fatality de jour is, the common themes that run consistently through the = fatalities are diver's or agency leader's justifying the enabling and = George pointing it out. So in my mind I think it boils down to something pretty simple here. Do = you want spoon feed, every-man-for-themselves advise or do you want to = learn and understand a system that has a proven track record; that = doesn't need some obscure defense every time a fatality occurs; is clean = and simple and works in all environments. It seems to me that many on = the scuba forums postulate publicly for ego enhancing reasons, but = rarely have the requisite credentials to support their ad hoc ideas. In searching the archives a couple of threads sparked my interest. Take = a second to read below, keep an open mind and try to look at this = objectively: 1997. Tony Maffatone said the following in an article for Deep Tech: DT: Did you ever hear about the "Hogartheian Way?"=20 TM: Yes I have read a few articles and much of the internet = conversations authored by George Irvine. When I read that there is only = one way to do something right, as far as equipment configuration is = concerned, I knew immediately it's flawed and would inhibit progress, = leaving the whole tech community at a stand still. Either Mr. Irvine is = expressing his own philosophy, which I disagree with or the Hogartheian = way is a very stagnant discipline.=20 Tony died while diving this rig solo shortly after this article = appeared. Rob Palmer said in 1996: At TEK '96, Rob Palmer said, "George, there are other ways to do things than the way you preach",=20 Rob died while diving deep air in 1997 to which Tom Mount added: Tom Mount wrote: Maybe a diver of Robs abilities having died will wake up some of the folks who still advocate air dives below 60 meters. 200 feet. =20 Tom Talk about missing the boat. =20 At some point guys, whether you are fond of the way things are presented = or not, the facts speak for themselves. Think of who is consistently = right, and think of who spends the majority of their time defending the = specificity of each fatality. Food for thought... ------=_NextPart_000_02F5_01C24DE5.C29B4380 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV> <P><STRONG>It is always pretty amusing to read some of the posts on this = list.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Many in the DIR = crowd are=20 often times accused of being bombastic, abusive or [insert adjective of = choice],=20 and we hear very often that so and so turns people off, and that the = messenger=20 turns people off to the message, or whatever other common excuse is = convenient=20 to ignore the benefits associated with the “holistic” DIR = system.<SPAN=20 style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Many are tempted to offer that = if the=20 information were presented in a kinder and gentler fashion that some = would be=20 more willing to accept it, other’s offer that they “like = parts of the system” so=20 they justify their personal preferences by convincing themselves that = they are=20 “almost” DIR, or “working towards” DIR.<SPAN = style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =20 </SPAN>Differences of opinion often times spark some unusually spirited=20 discussions that generally veer off into the ridiculous and more often = then not=20 obfuscates the core issues.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> = </SPAN>I=20 recently took the time to do an archive search on aquanaut and simply = decided to=20 type in the word “fatality” to see what would turn = up.<?xml:namespace prefix =3D o=20 ns =3D "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" = /><o:p></o:p></STRONG></P> <P><STRONG> <o:p></o:p></STRONG></P> <P><STRONG>If you dismiss the lofty rhetoric and focus in on the core = message=20 [in other word’s, try to be objective for a second] I think = you’ll find=20 something interesting.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> = </SPAN>The common=20 theme is George dissecting each fatality and some in the anti-DIR crowd, = more=20 often then not Tom Mount, justifying the deviation from DIR protocol = directly in=20 the face of the fatality.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> = </SPAN>Whether=20 it be the “poodle jacket” deco reg’s, color-coded tank = marking scheme’s,=20 deep-air, solo, heart attack’s or whatever the fatality de jour = is, the common=20 themes that run consistently through the fatalities are diver’s or = agency=20 leader’s justifying the enabling and George pointing it=20 out.<o:p></o:p></STRONG></P> <P><STRONG>So in my mind I think it boils down to something pretty = simple=20 here.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Do you want spoon = feed,=20 every-man-for-themselves advise or do you want to learn and understand a = system=20 that has a proven track record; that doesn’t need some obscure = defense every=20 time a fatality occurs; is clean and simple and works in all = environments.<SPAN=20 style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It seems to me that many on = the scuba=20 forums postulate publicly for ego enhancing reasons, but rarely have the = requisite credentials to support their ad hoc = ideas.<o:p></o:p></STRONG></P> <P><STRONG>In searching the archives a couple of threads sparked my=20 interest.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Take a second = to read=20 below, keep an open mind and try to look at this=20 objectively:<o:p></o:p></STRONG></P> <P><STRONG>1997.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Tony = Maffatone=20 said the following in an article for Deep Tech:<o:p></o:p></STRONG></P> <P><STRONG>DT:</STRONG> <B>Did you ever hear about the = “Hogartheian Way?”=20 <o:p></o:p></B></P> <P><STRONG>TM:</STRONG> <B>Yes I have read a few articles and much of = the=20 internet conversations authored by George Irvine. When I read that there = is only=20 one way to do something right, as far as equipment configuration is = concerned, I=20 knew immediately it’s flawed and would inhibit progress, leaving = the whole tech=20 community at a stand still. Either Mr. Irvine is expressing his own = philosophy,=20 which I disagree with or the Hogartheian way is a very stagnant = discipline.=20 <o:p></o:p></B></P> <P><B>Tony died while diving this rig solo shortly after this article=20 appeared.<o:p></o:p></B></P> <P><B>Rob Palmer said in 1996:<o:p></o:p></B></P><PRE><B><SPAN = style=3D"mso-bidi-font-family: 'Courier New'">At TEK '96, Rob Palmer = said, "George, there are other ways = to<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></PRE><PRE><B><SPAN = style=3D"mso-bidi-font-family: 'Courier New'">do things than the way you = preach", <o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></PRE> <P><B>Rob died while diving deep air in 1997 to which Tom Mount=20 added:<o:p></o:p></B></P><PRE><B><SPAN style=3D"mso-bidi-font-family: = 'Courier New'">Tom Mount wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></PRE><PRE><B><SPAN = style=3D"mso-bidi-font-family: 'Courier New'">Maybe a diver of Robs = abilities having died will wake up some of = the<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></PRE><PRE><B><SPAN = style=3D"mso-bidi-font-family: 'Courier New'">folks who still advocate = air dives below 60 meters. 200 = feet.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></PRE><PRE><B><SPAN = style=3D"mso-bidi-font-family: 'Courier New'"> = <o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></PRE><PRE><B><SPAN style=3D"mso-bidi-font-family: = 'Courier New'">Tom<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></PRE> <P><B>Talk about missing the boat</B>…</P> <P><B> <o:p></o:p></B></P> <P><B>At some point guys, whether you are fond of the way things are = presented=20 or not, the facts speak for themselves.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: = yes"> =20 </SPAN>Think of who is consistently right, and think of who spends the = majority=20 of their time defending the specificity of each = fatality.<o:p></o:p></B></P> <P><B>Food for thought…..<o:p></o:p></B></P></DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_02F5_01C24DE5.C29B4380-- -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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