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We aren't having trouble with them because they work and because we know =
how to keep them out of the fishing line. The genius of these scooters =
is their simplicity and durability. I realize that whole concept =
escapes you and in your delusional state you are much happier imagining =
a clutch conspiracy theory. Let me assure you that you are not =
important enough for anyone to have any interest in trying to deceive =
you over a scooter. =20
If you have a problem with Pizzio, I suggest you tell HIM about it. Not =
the list. You have his email address.
---- Original Message -----=20
From: Capt JT=20
To: George Irvine ; Jim Cobb ; George Irvine=20
Cc: Joe ; Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com ; vbtech@ci*.co*=20
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 8:39 PM
Subject: RE: Back to the issues - Capt. CF - was Re: Dangerous Idiot =
was RE: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter Support / WAS - =
Cheap parts?
Well, now that we know the AUE guys are buying the scooters from you, =
we now know that is why you like them. They will not get on hear and =
tell everyone if they are having any problems with them, the code of =
silence thing again.
Cobb. did you notice he has not answered the Mike Pizzo thing, we know =
that Mike dives with the AUE group and unless they can prove it is not =
the same Mike Pizzo involved with this=20
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then they are part of the side show.......
At 06:35 PM 8/23/02 -0400, George Irvine wrote:
Jim, I told you all they were prototype and to work with me on any =
issues. JT is incapable of doing that due to his false pride. I don't =
care how many screwups he has had, I am not "hammering" him over =
anything but his unwillingness to learn and his unwillingness to ask. I =
am hammering him over doing the same things over and over. He just keeps =
telling me I don't know and that he does know, and that is clearly a =
function of his having no clue what he is talking about and no =
willingness to listen to those who know a hell of a lot more than he =
does. Andrew G told me exactly the same thing about his efforts with JT. =
He is a waste of time.=20
You got the first one of those scooters I ever made. You were =
supposed to stay in touch with me to work out any issues .You will =
recall that I used two different winds of experimental motors on your =
scooters. So far I have only heard from one of you about anything , and =
nothing from that idiot JT other than his slop on the lists.
Barnette and the others who have them, on the other hand, keep me =
updated on the conditions of the scooters. There are now several of the =
wreck scooters in existence, and several hundred of the cave scooters. =
The military has several, police forces have them, most organized ( non =
stroke) dive teams have them, and the two record holding distance dive =
teams have them. Once the motor and other issues are certain, you can =
install which ever clutch you want and locktite if you want, but the =
thing will not come unscrewed unless the clutch is pushed back from the =
shear pin or the screw is stripped , which will happen if it is removed =
and replaced more than one time. Sure, it would be nice if them made =
them with a reverse thread, but they do not, so other solutions must be =
used.
All any of you have to do is ask, but that is just too much for a =
moron like JT and the rest of you are listening to that clown. He never =
had a real scooter before, what the hell makes you think he has any clue =
what is what with this one?
Personally, I do not locktite mine, I use the minimum number of =
washers so it will slip if I put my pinkie in the blades, and that does =
not put enough pressure on the screw to unwind it. If you guys need =
something different, you need to talk to me about it, or you will not =
get a solution from the person who knows best.
And, just so you know, the people who specify that they want what I =
ride, which is a Magnum PVC Gavin with expensive batteries and clutch =
rigged loose, get just that only it costs more money.Certainly a lot =
more than JT was willing to spend. Reinhard and Michael with their team =
and fleet of these scooters just yesterday pushed Doux de Coly Cave out =
to over 18,000 feet. Reinhard has no problem discussing how every little =
thing we do is done directly with me, and he has the results to prove =
it, just as have the results using the rebreather he built for me.
You can share information with the best, or you can fight and argue =
with the best. I have been making scooters, winding motors, sharing data =
,technology and information and receiving data and information from the =
best for years. Most of you have a real hard time doing that due to =
self-imposed ego restraints ( not you personally, Jim, but your boy and =
others like him).
In any event, the wreck scooters is the best thing for boat diving =
and the other is the best for cave diving, and I can recommend what is =
needed for each type of condition and do it for the least amount of =
money. You do not need what I ride to do what you guys go, and in fact I =
use what you use when I do that kind of diving. As anyone, including you =
yourself know, I am ALWAYS accessible by phone or email. Wait, I take =
that back. Last night when Reinhard called me to tell me he was ok and =
back safely from his record dive, I did not hear the phone ring due to =
being 8 rows back at Pompano Beach Amphitheatre listening to Dream =
Theatre and Joe Satriani, but I did phone him back this morning to hear =
about his dive .
=20
-----Original Message-----=20
From: Jim Cobb [mailto:cobber@ci*.co*]=20
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 11:03 AM=20
To: George Irvine=20
Cc: Joe; Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com; vbtech@ci*.co*; Capt JT =
Subject: Re: Back to the issues - Capt. CF - was Re: Dangerous =
Idiot was RE: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter Support / WAS =
- Cheap parts?
George-
I don't feel I need to defend JT, he is a big boy and can do =
that himself. But I do need to call bullshit when I see it. Yes you guys =
did come up and dive with us and I appreciate it. JT appreciated it too, =
he opened his house up to both you, JJ on your visit and then to Andrew =
and Mike when they came up to teach the fundamentals class.
JT has bent over backwards to hear the DIR/GUE side of the =
story. Hell, we all went down there to return the favor and see how you =
guys do it. Why JT wants to butt heads with you over every little thing, =
I guess you have to ask JT, because I don't know. I do know that when I =
did deep dives the person I wanted to have on the boat was JT because he =
sweats the details, and therein lies the devil, as you well know. You =
and several other people on this list are slamming JT for having a few =
screwed up dives. The reason you know about these screwed up dives is =
that he told you, me and everybody else about what happened. JT broke =
the "code of silence" which is apparently alive and well and fully =
enforced down there in Florida.
And there are so many assholes and idiots out there doing goofy, =
dangerous shit:
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Did you know that Mike Pizzio is involved with this clusterfuck =
waiting to happen? Where the hell is DIR now? This is the kind of crap =
you and Joe need to be hammering, not JT.
As far as this pissing match over the scooters, I am dismayed =
over a couple of things. For one I feel responsible for all the guys =
purchasing your scooter after you sold me that prototype. The guys saw =
the logic of getting a scooter for depth as, once you get one, you =
realize that a scooter is not a lazy way to get around but a actual =
piece of life support equipment. A scooter can save your ass on a deep =
dive, conserve your gas and keep you from getting bent.
And the fact is that while your scooters have the engineering =
down better than anyone else, your QA sucks and everybody had problems =
with their scooters other than me. It made me look bad and I don't like =
that any more than you do. I have no doubt in my mind that you stick =
behind your products 100% up to and including buying them back if the =
customer is not satisfied. What would be better, and what everybody =
wants, is not to ship the scooter back for a refund, but that the darn =
things are de-bugged before shipment. If we are to do the debugging, =
fine, that should be stated and it never was.
All this clutch bruhaha is not about the clutch at all. It is =
about a screw backing out allowing a sacrificial clutch component to fry =
out. Hell, one prop assembly fell apart in the water right after the =
diver entered the water. This is not encouraging stuff for something we =
consider life support equipment. As far as the guys were concerned they =
had just bought the scooter that went 18,000 ft and is used by some of =
the best divers on earth. I figure that problem would be solved by just =
using lock-tight on this critical screw, the fix would be that simple.
Instead this has become a full-blown pissing match between two =
people who I like and respect and I hate to see it happen. I truly wish =
you and JT would figure out this scooter thing and make the "wrecker =
special" as reliable as the "cave special" as I'm sure it can be. You =
have some powerful proponents of the DIR system here in Virginia Beach =
and it would really be a shame if they were all alienated over a dumb =
screw.
I know that you have been around a long time, George, and I also =
know that you are almost invariably right (much to the consternation of =
many on this list). But I think you are wrong about JT. You two may =
never see eye to eye but JT is very much into not only himself surviving =
the dive but everybody else on the boat, within the realm of reality. =
Those last 5 words are very important. You can strive to gain true DIR =
precepts, but at some point you have to bow to reality or quit diving. =
It's like taking a half-step to a wall, you will always get closer and =
closer but you won't ever actually get there. At some point you have to =
deal with your situation and do the best you can. And JT and others up =
here are doing the best they can with what they've got.
Jim
On Friday, August 23, 2002, at 06:49 AM, George Irvine wrote:
Jim, a bunch of us came up there and dove with all of you and JT =
did not=20
want to hear anything from us about how we think it should be =
done. I came=20
up later and went over all of it again. Andrew G came up there =
and did it=20
one more time. JT will listen to nobody, and somebody or =
sombodies will die=20
as a result. Quit defending the guy. He is wrong, and there is =
no hiding his=20
attitude about diving. I think he is a lost cause and needs to =
be given a=20
wide berth. Even if he did things "right", his head is in a =
dangerous place.
I have been around a long time, Jim, and I have yet to be wrong =
about=20
something like this. The best advice I can give anyone is to =
avoid people=20
who think this way.
-----Original Message-----=20
From: Jim Cobb [mailto:cobber@ci*.co*]=20
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 9:35 PM=20
To: Joe=20
Cc: Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com; trey@my*.ne*; =
vbtech@ci*.co*; Capt=20
JT=20
Subject: Re: Back to the issues - Capt. CF - was Re: Dangerous =
Idiot was=20
RE: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter Support / WAS - =
Cheap=20
parts?
Hey Joe, you are down there and I am up here. I can state =
without=20
reservation that you don't know what in the fuck you are talking =
about.
Believe me I know what it's like sitting behind a keyboard and =
carping=20
at people. But at least I do a half-assed attempt to get the =
facts=20
straight, something you obviously have not done.=20
If you have a problem with JT you need to come up here and dive =
and=20
show us how it's done. If you don't want to do that then why =
don't you=20
shut the fuck up.
If you can prove to me that you have never done an deep dive on=20
anything other than a perfect boat with perfect support and =
perfect=20
partners and every single one of your dives have been perfect =
and error=20
free then, to use another oft stated saw; "I will kiss your ass =
in=20
Macey's window".
What I'd like to hear from you (christ, from *anybody* south of=20
Morehead City) of one of your "less than perfect" dives, how you =
survived it and what lessons you learned. I doubt we will hear =
anything=20
like this from you as it take courage to admit your mistakes. I =
don't=20
think you have the balls to do it.
People tell me that you are a super experienced, ultra =
accomplished=20
diver. But you never offer one piece of advice, no data, not one =
single=20
lesson learned. All you can do is sit behind your keyboard and =
do this=20
vendetta against me, JT or anybody else you happen to dislike.
How about belaying the BS and give us some information. Give us =
a "I=20
learned about diving from that" story. If you truly have the =
track=20
record everybody says you do, I will bet you have quite a few.
Jim
On Thursday, August 22, 2002, at 09:27 PM, Joe wrote:
Dear Capt. CF:
Since you are quite obviously an aberration resulting from =
generations=20
of=20
inbreeding, I will help you along here by redirecting your =
limited=20
attention=20
span to the issues originally discussed. Please uncross your =
eyes if=20
that=20
is possible.
Please explain to the list which is worse, having a chase boat =
which=20
may or=20
may not work stowed on the top deck of the dive boat while =
anchored on=20
a=20
dive, OR, the compounding of this stupidity by putting =
decompression=20
bottles=20
and a hangbar under the boat while the Captain sleeps.
Or, perhaps you claim that you no longer do this and that the=20
chaseboat is=20
deployed in good working order before divers enter the water and =
you no=20
longer irresponsibly leave it on the top deck in a state of =
disrepair,=20
making the effective rescue of a distressed diver next to =
impossible?=20
Which=20
is it? Please tell us.
While I am at it, please explain to everyone why the Miss =
Lindsey and=20
its=20
owner are not welcome in the Bahamas anymore. Shall I go on?
I think I will.
Please tell us about the non commercial, commercial dive that =
you got=20
paid=20
for which resulted in the death of Tai Wilkerson. Please tell us =
who=20
was=20
captain of the boat that day and how he complied with all of the =
OSHA=20
regs=20
re a commercial dive operation. Tell us how you had the required =
on=20
board=20
recompression chamber and how it worked like your chase boat. =
Also=20
tell us=20
what in water communications were in place and what were the =
depths=20
and the=20
gases being used? Who was Tai's buddy and what was his =
experience=20
level?=20
Isn't it true that this was his deepest dive ever? Isn't it also =
true=20
that=20
when Tai got into trouble his buddy rescued him by shooting him =
to the=20
surface like a Polaris missile? Tell us how you presided over =
this in=20
your=20
usual professional way. Don't bother denying it. We all know =
what=20
happened. For a guy that just tells the truth you sure do "lair" =
a=20
lot.
You say I am a "lair" and you don't smoke dope anymore. Then why =
is=20
it that=20
you go through life in a state of perpetual dyslexic confusion=20
looking like a Jerry Garcia groupie. And why is it that you have =
that=20
distinct ashen pallor of death that most druggies get after many =
years=20
of=20
continued abuse. Is it your liver or the inbreeding? Or have you =
fried so=20
many brain cells that you can no longer be sober and look =
normal?
Your feeble attempts to discredit me and others is a sham to =
avoid the=20
above=20
questions which you so ignorantly refuse to address. As I have =
said=20
before,=20
you do not qualify to be my tank or towel boy.
Capt. CF, your stupidity never ceases to amaze me. Do you really =
think that=20
your little "private email" would shock or upset me? George and =
I=20
know each=20
other 15 years. I am no more bothered by that "private email" =
than he=20
would=20
be were the reverse to happen. It is internet rhetoric. Nothing =
more,=20
nothing less. The difference between you and myself is that I =
see good=20
information and recognize it. You see it and reject it because =
you=20
are mad=20
at whomever gives you the advice. I will solve the problem right =
now.=20
JT,=20
PLEASE, PLEASE, DON'T SHOOT YOURSELF IN THE HEAD.
Capt. CF, you really need to come down from the tree and put =
away the=20
banjo.=20
People are desperately trying to give you good advice and =
information=20
and=20
you continuously reject it and reliably do the opposite. You are =
a=20
danger=20
to all around you. Change your ways. Give up the dope. Get into=20
therapy.
All of the above said, I seriously question how ANY lucid =
business=20
person=20
would allow you to take charge of the lives of their passengers. =
Given all=20
of the sound advice you have so ignorantly rejected, were an =
incident=20
to=20
occur I shudder to think of the legal ramifications. Your =
obvious=20
defense=20
would be "Diminished Capacity" which of course you would easily =
get=20
but only=20
at the expense of your employers, who would undoubtedly be held=20
criminally=20
negligent.
Dive safe, be safe.
Your friend.
Joe
----- Original Message -----=20
From: "George Irvine" <trey@my*.ne*>=20
To: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>; "Joe" =
<joe@po*.co*>;=20
<trey@my*.ne*>; "Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com" =
<techdiver@aquanaut.com>=20
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 3:52 AM=20
Subject: Dangerous Idiot was RE: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: =
George's=20
Scooter Support / WAS - Cheap parts?
JT, besides you being a petty little wimp, you just can not =
stick to=20
the=20
subject ( how to safely and properly do these dives) , and you =
are=20
the one=20
who is a "lair". I know Joe for 15 years. Still waiting for him =
to=20
"light=20
up".
When these guys ( AUE ) first started out I had a big problem =
with=20
some of=20
their stroke buddies and told them why, and I told them how I =
would=20
do the=20
dives. They did not like my "style", but they knew I was right =
about=20
the=20
diving part, and they eventually got rid of the strokes.
They did not like me any better than you do. The difference is =
that=20
these=20
guys are not morons like you, are not big egos like you ( in =
your case=20
totally undeserved), and they have a legitimate program and are =
not=20
out=20
trying to prove something like you are.
You can keep digging up all the "private" emails you want, the =
fact is
that=20
right here and now you are a complete stroke and everyone can =
see it.=20
You=20
want some "private" emails from Kane and Georgitsis about how=20
hopeless you=20
are? How about from anyone who has ever seen you in the water or =
seen=20
your=20
act?
The facts are that you do now know what the hell you are doing, =
you=20
are=20
risking people's lives with your dangerous idiocy, you can't =
dive at=20
all,=20
you are an obvious moron, and you have no prospects of changing =
any of
that.=20
-----Original Message-----=20
From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]=20
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 4:31 PM=20
To: Joe; trey@my*.ne*; Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com=20
Subject: Re: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter =
Support /=20
WAS=20
- Cheap parts?
Joe, have you been taking lesson on being a lair from G, not one =
thing is=20
true in this post. One thing about not telling the truth on a =
post.=20
Everyone who sees you will know mine was right on, no hiding =
that=20
stomach,=20
the height, curly hair, or the old face. And if they watch you =
long=20
enough=20
you will light up.....
At 11:09 AM 8/21/02 -0700, Joe wrote:=20
Good morning JT:
It seems the THC in your system has finally taken its toll. You =
are=20
confused as I not only do not smoke but abhor being around =
smoke.
You seem a bit cranky. Perhaps you should have some bran with =
your
banana.=20
They say that helps. I was also wondering, do you have an =
opposable
thumb?=20
I hear you had some problems on the Miss Lindsay this Sunday. =
Why=20
do you=20
insist on leaving the chase boat inaccessible and untested on =
the=20
upper
deck=20
when you tie in? Don't you realize you are endangering everyone =
in=20
the=20
water when you do that? One day your luck will run out.
Cheers.
Joe
----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>=20
To: <joe@po*.co*>; <trey@my*.ne*>;=20
"Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com"=20
<techdiver@aquanaut.com>=20
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 12:33 PM=20
Subject: Re: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter =
Support /=20
WAS -=20
Cheap parts?
I hit the nail on the head with that one, bananas are good for =
you.
You=20
just keep on smoking those cancer sticks, dicky do boy........
At 08:54 PM 8/19/02 -0400, joe@po*.co* wrote:=20
JT, have a bananna. You'll feel better.
Regards from your friend.
Joe
----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>=20
To: <joe@po*.co*>; <trey@my*.ne*>;
"Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com"=20
<techdiver@aquanaut.com>=20
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 4:54 PM=20
Subject: Re: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter =
Support /
WAS -=20
Cheap parts?
I had dinner at an Italian restaurant over the weekend and there
was=20
this=20
little curly haired old guy who looked like a woman does in her
8th=20
month=20
with that stomach sticking out there, sitting at the bar =
enjoying
his=20
drink=20
and cigarettes. Kinda reminded me of that guy Joe in the AUE
group.=20
At 03:44 PM 8/17/02 -0400, joe@po*.co* wrote:=20
Funny thing about the monkey. I ran into Marguerite the other
day=20
and=20
she=20
told me she had taught him to shave his body. He figured he
could=20
pass=20
himself off as a person and ran away to Hollywood to star in the
next=20
version of Planet of The Apes. When he found out they weren't
doing=20
another=20
sequel he moved to Virginia Beach where he took a job as a boat
captain=20
named JT.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: "George Irvine" <trey@my*.ne*>=20
To: "Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>=20
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 10:08 AM=20
Subject: RE: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter =
Support
/=20
WAS -=20
Cheap parts?
JT, the bottom line is that you are not qualified to comment
on=20
anything=20
in=20
diving, and you have proven it repeatedly. You are a bad
imitation=20
of=20
what=20
the rest of us do so easily and a complete stroke by anyone's
measure,=20
from=20
attitude to execution. Anyone who has seen you in the water
knows=20
you=20
are=20
pathetic, anyone who had read your slop on here knows you are
an=20
illiterate=20
moron.
Just as in Rodney's motor thing with Christina, had she paid
Rod=20
for=20
a=20
fast motor, she would have had one to start with. You are a
nickel=20
rocket=20
of massive proportions, and it shows in all you say , do , and
use.=20
You=20
caught Cobb bailing out of diving ( the right thing for anyone
to=20
do=20
who=20
is=20
subject to your perpetual risk creation) and got his prototype
scooter=20
cheap, so either sell it back to me or shut up. There is no
way=20
any of=20
you=20
would have paid for the clutch, and you would not need it if
you=20
were=20
not=20
so incompetent .
You have an obvious reading problem. I said I bought $8,000
worth=20
of=20
Arnie=20
clutches that I thought I would never get rid of, since most
people do=20
not=20
need them. I still have more than I will likely be able to
legitimately=20
ask=20
anyone to buy. Scooters are my life support, and staying
constantly=20
hands=20
on=20
with them keeps me and=20
my team alive in the scooter dependent diving we do , and
selling=20
them=20
to=20
other groups helps finance the WKPP exploration activities. If
you=20
don't=20
like that, too bad - for people like you there is Rodney. If
you=20
don't=20
like=20
the clutch , complain to Mako. In addition, you moron, we do
not=20
use=20
the=20
wreck scooter in the WKPP in the first place, we use the PVC
standard=20
version.
Most people buy the clutches directly form Arnie or NE Scuba.
The=20
only=20
thing that needs to be known about this is that the washers
for=20
the=20
other=20
clutch will not work with the Arnie , so when they get them
installed=20
by=20
me=20
, I use the correct washers. I am sure you are going to make
this=20
mistake=20
if you can scrape together the 100 bucks or whatever he
charges=20
for=20
them.=20
Maybe you could make up a cardboard sign that says. "Will work
for=20
clutch"=20
and stand at a busy streetcorner and collect the money to buy
one.=20
This list for you is an effort to make yourself look like a
tough=20
guy,=20
but=20
all you are doing is making yourself look like one of Jerry's
Kids.=20
Your=20
constant efforts to fight with me are not going to work, no
matter=20
how=20
personal you try to get. You have proven yourself to be an
incapable=20
diver=20
with a stroke attitude who has almost nobody left willing to
risk=20
diving=20
with you and certainly nobody willing to listen to you any
more.=20
You=20
are=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>We aren't having trouble with them =
because they=20
work and because we know how to keep them out of the fishing line. =
The=20
genius of these scooters is their simplicity and durability. I=20
realize that whole concept escapes you and in your delusional =
state=20
you are much happier imagining a clutch conspiracy =
theory. Let=20
me assure you that you are not important enough for anyone to have any =
interest=20
in trying to deceive you over a scooter. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If you have a problem with Pizzio, I =
suggest you=20
tell HIM about it. Not the list. You have his email=20
address.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>---- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dcaptjt@mi*.co* =
href=3D"mailto:captjt@mi*.co*">Capt JT</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=3Dtrey@my*.ne*=20
href=3D"mailto:trey@my*.ne*">George Irvine</A> ; <A=20
title=3Dcobber@ci*.co* =
href=3D"mailto:cobber@ci*.co*">Jim Cobb</A>=20
; <A title=3Dtrey@my*.ne* href=3D"mailto:trey@my*.ne*">George =
Irvine</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A =
title=3Djoe@po*.co*=20
href=3D"mailto:joe@po*.co*">Joe</A> ; <A =
title=3Dtechdiver@aquanaut.com=20
href=3D"mailto:Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com">Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com</A> ; <A =
title=3Dvbtech@ci*.co*=20
href=3D"mailto:vbtech@ci*.co*">vbtech@cisatlantic.com</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 26, 2002
=
8:39=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Back to the
issues =
- Capt.=20
CF - was Re: Dangerous Idiot was RE: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: =
George's=20
Scooter Support / WAS - Cheap parts?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Well, now that we know the AUE guys are buying the =
scooters=20
from you, we now know that is why you like them. They will not get on =
hear and=20
tell everyone if they are having any problems with them, the code of =
silence=20
thing again.<BR><BR>Cobb. did you notice he has not answered the Mike =
Pizzo=20
thing, we know that Mike dives with the AUE group and unless they can =
prove it=20
is not the same Mike Pizzo involved with this <BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
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<DL></DL><BR><BR>then they are part of the side=20
show.......<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR> At 06:35 PM 8/23/02
-0400, George =
Irvine=20
wrote:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=3D"" type=3D"cite">Jim, I told you all they were =
prototype and=20
to work with me on any issues. JT is incapable of doing that due to =
his=20
false pride. I don't care how many screwups he has had, I am not =
"hammering"=20
him over anything but his unwillingness to learn and his =
unwillingness to=20
ask. I am hammering him over doing the same things over and over. He =
just=20
keeps telling me I don't know and that he does know, and that =
is=20
clearly a function of his having no clue what he is talking about =
and no=20
willingness to listen to those who know a hell of a lot more than he =
does.=20
Andrew G told me exactly the same thing about his efforts with JT. =
He is a=20
waste of time. <BR><BR>You got the first one of those scooters I =
ever made.=20
You were supposed to stay in touch with me to work out any issues =
.You will=20
recall that I used two different winds of experimental motors on =
your=20
scooters. So far I have only heard from one of you about =
anything ,=20
and nothing from that idiot JT other than his slop on the=20
lists.<BR><BR>Barnette and the others who have them, on the other =
hand, keep=20
me updated on the conditions of the scooters. There are now several =
of the=20
wreck scooters in existence, and several hundred of the cave =
scooters. The=20
military has several, police forces have them, most organized ( non =
stroke)=20
dive teams have them, and the two record holding distance dive teams =
have=20
them. Once the motor and other issues are certain, you can install =
which=20
ever clutch you want and locktite if you want, but the thing will =
not come=20
unscrewed unless the clutch is pushed back from the shear pin or the =
screw=20
is stripped , which will happen if it is removed and replaced more =
than one=20
time. Sure, it would be nice if them made them with a reverse =
thread, but=20
they do not, so other solutions must be used.<BR><BR>All any of you =
have to=20
do is ask, but that is just too much for a moron like JT and the =
rest of you=20
are listening to that clown. He never had a real scooter before, =
what the=20
hell makes you think he has any clue what is what with this=20
one?<BR><BR>Personally, I do not locktite mine, I use the minimum =
number of=20
washers so it will slip if I put my pinkie in the blades, and that =
does not=20
put enough pressure on the screw to unwind it. If you guys need =
something=20
different, you need to talk to me about it, or you will not =
get a=20
solution from the person who knows best.<BR><BR>And, just so you =
know, the=20
people who specify that they want what I ride, which is a Magnum PVC =
Gavin=20
with expensive batteries and clutch rigged loose, get just that only =
it=20
costs more money.Certainly a lot more than JT was willing to spend. =
Reinhard=20
and Michael with their team and fleet of these scooters just =
yesterday=20
pushed Doux de Coly Cave out to over 18,000 feet. Reinhard has no =
problem=20
discussing how every little thing we do is done directly with me, =
and he has=20
the results to prove it, just as have the results using the =
rebreather he=20
built for me.<BR><BR>You can share information with the best, or you =
can=20
fight and argue with the best. I have been making scooters, winding =
motors,=20
sharing data ,technology and information and receiving data and =
information=20
from the best for years. Most of you have a real hard time doing =
that due to=20
self-imposed ego restraints ( not you personally, Jim, but your boy =
and=20
others like him).<BR><BR>In any event, the wreck scooters is the =
best thing=20
for boat diving and the other is the best for cave diving, and I can =
recommend what is needed for each type of condition and do it for =
the least=20
amount of money. You do not need what I ride to do what you guys go, =
and in=20
fact I use what you use when I do that kind of diving. As anyone, =
including=20
you yourself know, I am ALWAYS accessible by phone or email. Wait, I =
take=20
that back. Last night when Reinhard called me to tell me he was ok =
and back=20
safely from his record dive, I did not hear the phone ring due to =
being 8=20
rows back at Pompano Beach Amphitheatre listening to Dream Theatre =
and Joe=20
Satriani, but I did phone him back this morning to hear about his =
dive=20
.<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT face=3Dtahoma size=3D2>
<DL>
<DD>-----Original Message-----=20
<DD>From:</B> Jim Cobb [<A =
href=3D"mailto:cobber@ci*.co*"=20
eudora=3D"autourl">mailto:cobber@ci*.co*</A>]=20
<DD>Sent:</B> Friday, August 23, 2002 11:03 AM=20
<DD>To:</B> George Irvine=20
<DD>Cc:</B> Joe; Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com; vbtech@ci*.co*; =
Capt JT=20
<DD>Subject:</B> Re: Back to the issues - Capt. CF - was Re: =
Dangerous=20
Idiot was RE: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter =
Support / WAS=20
- Cheap parts?<BR><BR></FONT>
<DD>George-<BR><BR>
<DD>I don't feel I need to defend JT, he is a big boy and can do =
that=20
himself. But I do need to call bullshit when I see it. Yes you =
guys did=20
come up and dive with us and I appreciate it. JT appreciated it =
too, he=20
opened his house up to both you, JJ on your visit and then to =
Andrew and=20
Mike when they came up to teach the fundamentals class.<BR><BR>
<DD>JT has bent over backwards to hear the DIR/GUE side of the =
story.=20
Hell, we all went down there to return the favor and see how you =
guys do=20
it. Why JT wants to butt heads with you over every little thing, =
I guess=20
you have to ask JT, because I don't know. I do know that when I =
did deep=20
dives the person I wanted to have on the boat was JT because he =
sweats=20
the details, and therein lies the devil, as you well know. You =
and=20
several other people on this list are slamming JT for having a =
few=20
screwed up dives. The reason you know about these screwed up =
dives is=20
that he told you, me and everybody else about what happened. JT =
broke=20
the "code of silence" which is apparently alive and well and =
fully=20
enforced down there in Florida.<BR><BR>
<DD>And there are so many assholes and idiots out there doing =
goofy,=20
dangerous shit:<BR><BR>
<DD><?color><?param 1A1A,1A1A,FFFF><A=20
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href=3D"http://www.wr350.com/photos/axl%20by%20albert%20014%20small.jpg" =
=
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small.jpg</A>=20
<DD><?/color></U>=20
<DD>Did you know that Mike Pizzio is involved with this =
clusterfuck=20
waiting to happen? Where the hell is DIR now? This is the kind =
of crap=20
you and Joe need to be hammering, not JT.<BR><BR>
<DD>As far as this pissing match over the scooters, I am =
dismayed over a=20
couple of things. For one I feel responsible for all the guys =
purchasing=20
your scooter after you sold me that prototype. The guys saw the =
logic of=20
getting a scooter for depth as, once you get one, you realize =
that a=20
scooter is not a lazy way to get around but a actual piece of =
life=20
support equipment. A scooter can save your ass on a deep dive, =
conserve=20
your gas and keep you from getting bent.<BR><BR>
<DD>And the fact is that while your scooters have the =
engineering down=20
better than anyone else, your QA sucks and everybody had =
problems with=20
their scooters other than me. It made me look bad and I don't =
like that=20
any more than you do. I have no doubt in my mind that you stick =
behind=20
your products 100% up to and including buying them back if the =
customer=20
is not satisfied. What would be better, and what everybody =
wants, is not=20
to ship the scooter back for a refund, but that the darn things =
are=20
de-bugged before shipment. If we are to do the debugging, fine, =
that=20
should be stated and it never was.<BR><BR>
<DD>All this clutch bruhaha is not about the clutch at all. It =
is about=20
a screw backing out allowing a sacrificial clutch component to =
fry out.=20
Hell, one prop assembly fell apart in the water right after the =
diver=20
entered the water. This is not encouraging stuff for something =
we=20
consider life support equipment. As far as the guys were =
concerned they=20
had just bought the scooter that went 18,000 ft and is used by =
some of=20
the best divers on earth. I figure that problem would be solved =
by just=20
using lock-tight on this critical screw, the fix would be that=20
simple.<BR><BR>
<DD>Instead this has become a full-blown pissing match between =
two=20
people who I like and respect and I hate to see it happen. I =
truly wish=20
you and JT would figure out this scooter thing and make the =
"wrecker=20
special" as reliable as the "cave special" as I'm sure it can =
be. You=20
have some powerful proponents of the DIR system here in Virginia =
Beach=20
and it would really be a shame if they were all alienated over a =
dumb=20
screw.<BR><BR>
<DD>I know that you have been around a long time, George, and I =
also=20
know that you are almost invariably right (much to the =
consternation of=20
many on this list). But I think you are wrong about JT. You two =
may=20
never see eye to eye but JT is very much into not only himself =
surviving=20
the dive but everybody else on the boat, within the realm of =
reality.=20
Those last 5 words are very important. You can strive to gain =
true DIR=20
precepts, but at some point you have to bow to reality or quit =
diving.=20
It's like taking a half-step to a wall, you will always get =
closer and=20
closer but you won't ever actually get there. At some point you =
have to=20
deal with your situation and do the best you can. And JT and =
others up=20
here are doing the best they can with what they've got.<BR><BR>
<DD>Jim<BR><BR>
<DD>On Friday, August 23, 2002, at 06:49 AM, George Irvine=20
wrote:<BR><BR>
<DD>Jim, a bunch of us came up there and dove with all of you =
and JT did=20
not=20
<DD>want to hear anything from us about how we think it should =
be done.=20
I came=20
<DD>up later and went over all of it again. Andrew G came up =
there and=20
did it=20
<DD>one more time. JT will listen to nobody, and somebody or =
sombodies=20
will die=20
<DD>as a result. Quit defending the guy. He is wrong, and there =
is no=20
hiding his=20
<DD>attitude about diving. I think he is a lost cause and needs =
to be=20
given a=20
<DD>wide berth. Even if he did things "right", his head is in a=20
dangerous place.<BR><BR>
<DD>I have been around a long time, Jim, and I have yet to be =
wrong=20
about=20
<DD>something like this. The best advice I can give anyone is to =
avoid=20
people=20
<DD>who think this way.<BR><BR>
<DD>-----Original Message-----=20
<DD>From: Jim Cobb [<A href=3D"mailto:cobber@ci*.co*"=20
eudora=3D"autourl">mailto:cobber@ci*.co*</A>]=20
<DD>Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 9:35 PM=20
<DD>To: Joe=20
<DD>Cc: Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com; trey@my*.ne*; =
vbtech@ci*.co*;=20
Capt=20
<DD>JT=20
<DD>Subject: Re: Back to the issues - Capt. CF - was Re: =
Dangerous Idiot=20
was=20
<DD>RE: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter Support / =
WAS -=20
Cheap=20
<DD>parts?<BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DD>Hey Joe, you are down there and I am up here. I can state =
without=20
<DD>reservation that you don't know what in the fuck you are =
talking=20
about.<BR><BR>
<DD>Believe me I know what it's like sitting behind a keyboard =
and=20
carping=20
<DD>at people. But at least I do a half-assed attempt to get the =
facts=20
<DD>straight, something you obviously have not done.=20
<DD>If you have a problem with JT you need to come up here and =
dive and=20
<DD>show us how it's done. If you don't want to do that then why =
don't=20
you=20
<DD>shut the fuck up.<BR><BR>
<DD>If you can prove to me that you have never done an deep dive =
on=20
<DD>anything other than a perfect boat with perfect support and =
perfect=20
<DD>partners and every single one of your dives have been =
perfect and=20
error=20
<DD>free then, to use another oft stated saw; "I will kiss your =
ass in=20
<DD>Macey's window".<BR><BR>
<DD>What I'd like to hear from you (christ, from *anybody* south =
of=20
<DD>Morehead City) of one of your "less than perfect" dives, how =
you=20
<DD>survived it and what lessons you learned. I doubt we will =
hear=20
anything=20
<DD>like this from you as it take courage to admit your =
mistakes. I=20
don't=20
<DD>think you have the balls to do it.<BR><BR>
<DD>People tell me that you are a super experienced, ultra =
accomplished=20
<DD>diver. But you never offer one piece of advice, no data, not =
one=20
single=20
<DD>lesson learned. All you can do is sit behind your keyboard =
and do=20
this=20
<DD>vendetta against me, JT or anybody else you happen to=20
dislike.<BR><BR>
<DD>How about belaying the BS and give us some information. Give =
us a "I=20
<DD>learned about diving from that" story. If you truly have the =
track=20
<DD>record everybody says you do, I will bet you have quite a=20
few.<BR><BR>
<DD>Jim<BR><BR>
<DD>On Thursday, August 22, 2002, at 09:27 PM, Joe =
wrote:<BR><BR>
<DD>Dear Capt. CF:<BR><BR>
<DD>Since you are quite obviously an aberration resulting from=20
generations=20
<DD>of=20
<DD>inbreeding, I will help you along here by redirecting your =
limited=20
<DD>attention=20
<DD>span to the issues originally discussed. Please uncross your =
eyes if=20
<DD>that=20
<DD>is possible.<BR><BR>
<DD>Please explain to the list which is worse, having a chase =
boat which=20
<DD>may or=20
<DD>may not work stowed on the top deck of the dive boat while =
anchored=20
on=20
<DD>a=20
<DD>dive, OR, the compounding of this stupidity by putting =
decompression=20
<DD>bottles=20
<DD>and a hangbar under the boat while the Captain =
sleeps.<BR><BR>
<DD>Or, perhaps you claim that you no longer do this and that =
the=20
<DD>chaseboat is=20
<DD>deployed in good working order before divers enter the water =
and you=20
no=20
<DD>longer irresponsibly leave it on the top deck in a state of=20
disrepair,=20
<DD>making the effective rescue of a distressed diver next to=20
impossible?=20
<DD>Which=20
<DD>is it? Please tell us.<BR><BR>
<DD>While I am at it, please explain to everyone why the Miss =
Lindsey=20
and=20
<DD>its=20
<DD>owner are not welcome in the Bahamas anymore. Shall I go =
on?<BR><BR>
<DD>I think I will.<BR><BR>
<DD>Please tell us about the non commercial, commercial dive =
that you=20
got=20
<DD>paid=20
<DD>for which resulted in the death of Tai Wilkerson. Please =
tell us who=20
<DD>was=20
<DD>captain of the boat that day and how he complied with all of =
the=20
OSHA=20
<DD>regs=20
<DD>re a commercial dive operation. Tell us how you had the =
required on=20
<DD>board=20
<DD>recompression chamber and how it worked like your chase =
boat. Also=20
<DD>tell us=20
<DD>what in water communications were in place and what were the =
depths=20
<DD>and the=20
<DD>gases being used? Who was Tai's buddy and what was his =
experience=20
<DD>level?=20
<DD>Isn't it true that this was his deepest dive ever? Isn't it =
also=20
true=20
<DD>that=20
<DD>when Tai got into trouble his buddy rescued him by shooting =
him to=20
the=20
<DD>surface like a Polaris missile? Tell us how you presided =
over this=20
in=20
<DD>your=20
<DD>usual professional way. Don't bother denying it. We all know =
what=20
<DD>happened. For a guy that just tells the truth you sure do =
"lair" a=20
<DD>lot.<BR><BR>
<DD>You say I am a "lair" and you don't smoke dope anymore. Then =
why is=20
<DD>it that=20
<DD>you go through life in a state of perpetual dyslexic =
confusion=20
<DD>looking like a Jerry Garcia groupie. And why is it that you =
have=20
that=20
<DD>distinct ashen pallor of death that most druggies get after =
many=20
years=20
<DD>of=20
<DD>continued abuse. Is it your liver or the inbreeding? Or have =
you=20
<DD>fried so=20
<DD>many brain cells that you can no longer be sober and look=20
normal?<BR><BR>
<DD>Your feeble attempts to discredit me and others is a sham to =
avoid=20
the=20
<DD>above=20
<DD>questions which you so ignorantly refuse to address. As I =
have said=20
<DD>before,=20
<DD>you do not qualify to be my tank or towel boy.<BR><BR>
<DD>Capt. CF, your stupidity never ceases to amaze me. Do you =
really=20
<DD>think that=20
<DD>your little "private email" would shock or upset me? George =
and I=20
<DD>know each=20
<DD>other 15 years. I am no more bothered by that "private =
email" than=20
he=20
<DD>would=20
<DD>be were the reverse to happen. It is internet rhetoric. =
Nothing=20
more,=20
<DD>nothing less. The difference between you and myself is that =
I see=20
good=20
<DD>information and recognize it. You see it and reject it =
because you=20
<DD>are mad=20
<DD>at whomever gives you the advice. I will solve the problem =
right=20
now.=20
<DD>JT,=20
<DD>PLEASE, PLEASE, DON'T SHOOT YOURSELF IN THE HEAD.<BR><BR>
<DD>Capt. CF, you really need to come down from the tree and put =
away=20
the=20
<DD>banjo.=20
<DD>People are desperately trying to give you good advice and=20
information=20
<DD>and=20
<DD>you continuously reject it and reliably do the opposite. You =
are a=20
<DD>danger=20
<DD>to all around you. Change your ways. Give up the dope. Get =
into=20
<DD>therapy.<BR><BR>
<DD>All of the above said, I seriously question how ANY lucid =
business=20
<DD>person=20
<DD>would allow you to take charge of the lives of their =
passengers.=20
<DD>Given all=20
<DD>of the sound advice you have so ignorantly rejected, were an =
incident=20
<DD>to=20
<DD>occur I shudder to think of the legal ramifications. Your =
obvious=20
<DD>defense=20
<DD>would be "Diminished Capacity" which of course you would =
easily get=20
<DD>but only=20
<DD>at the expense of your employers, who would undoubtedly be =
held=20
<DD>criminally=20
<DD>negligent.<BR><BR>
<DD>Dive safe, be safe.<BR><BR>
<DD>Your friend.<BR><BR>
<DD>Joe<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DD>----- Original Message -----=20
<DD>From: "George Irvine" <trey@my*.ne*>=20
<DD>To: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>; "Joe"=20
<joe@po*.co*>;=20
<DD><trey@my*.ne*>; "Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com"=20
<techdiver@aquanaut.com>=20
<DD>Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 3:52 AM=20
<DD>Subject: Dangerous Idiot was RE: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: =
George's=20
<DD>Scooter Support / WAS - Cheap parts?<BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DD>JT, besides you being a petty little wimp, you just can not =
stick to=20
<DD>the=20
<DD>subject ( how to safely and properly do these dives) , and =
you are=20
<DD>the one=20
<DD>who is a "lair". I know Joe for 15 years. Still waiting for =
him to=20
<DD>"light=20
<DD>up".<BR><BR>
<DD>When these guys ( AUE ) first started out I had a big =
problem with=20
<DD>some of=20
<DD>their stroke buddies and told them why, and I told them how =
I would=20
<DD>do the=20
<DD>dives. They did not like my "style", but they knew I was =
right about=20
<DD>the=20
<DD>diving part, and they eventually got rid of the =
strokes.<BR><BR>
<DD>They did not like me any better than you do. The difference =
is that=20
<DD>these=20
<DD>guys are not morons like you, are not big egos like you ( in =
your=20
case=20
<DD>totally undeserved), and they have a legitimate program and =
are not=20
<DD>out=20
<DD>trying to prove something like you are.<BR><BR>
<DD>You can keep digging up all the "private" emails you want, =
the fact=20
is<BR><BR></DD></DL>that=20
<DL>
<DD>right here and now you are a complete stroke and everyone =
can see=20
it.=20
<DD>You=20
<DD>want some "private" emails from Kane and Georgitsis about =
how=20
<DD>hopeless you=20
<DD>are? How about from anyone who has ever seen you in the =
water or=20
seen=20
<DD>your=20
<DD>act?<BR><BR>
<DD>The facts are that you do now know what the hell you are =
doing, you=20
<DD>are=20
<DD>risking people's lives with your dangerous idiocy, you can't =
dive at=20
<DD>all,=20
<DD>you are an obvious moron, and you have no prospects of =
changing any=20
of<BR><BR></DD></DL>that.=20
<DL>
<DD>-----Original Message-----=20
<DD>From: Capt JT [<A href=3D"mailto:captjt@mi*.co*"=20
eudora=3D"autourl">mailto:captjt@mi*.co*</A>]=20
<DD>Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 4:31 PM=20
<DD>To: Joe; trey@my*.ne*; Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com=20
<DD>Subject: Re: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter =
Support /=20
<DD>WAS=20
<DD>- Cheap parts?<BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DD>Joe, have you been taking lesson on being a lair from G, not =
one=20
<DD>thing is=20
<DD>true in this post. One thing about not telling the truth on =
a post.=20
<DD>Everyone who sees you will know mine was right on, no hiding =
that=20
<DD>stomach,=20
<DD>the height, curly hair, or the old face. And if they watch =
you long=20
<DD>enough=20
<DD>you will light=20
up.....<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><
;BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DD>At 11:09 AM 8/21/02 -0700, Joe wrote:=20
<DD>Good morning JT:<BR><BR>
<DD>It seems the THC in your system has finally taken its toll. =
You are=20
<DD>confused as I not only do not smoke but abhor being around=20
smoke.<BR><BR>
<DD>You seem a bit cranky. Perhaps you should have some bran =
with=20
your<BR><BR></DD></DL>banana.=20
<DL>
<DD>They say that helps. I was also wondering, do you have an=20
opposable<BR><BR></DD></DL>thumb?=20
<DL>
<DD>I hear you had some problems on the Miss Lindsay this =
Sunday. Why=20
<DD>do you=20
<DD>insist on leaving the chase boat inaccessible and untested =
on the=20
<DD>upper<BR><BR></DD></DL>deck=20
<DL>
<DD>when you tie in? Don't you realize you are endangering =
everyone in=20
<DD>the=20
<DD>water when you do that? One day your luck will run =
out.<BR><BR>
<DD>Cheers.<BR><BR>
<DD>Joe<BR><BR>
<DD>----- Original Message -----=20
<DD>From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>=20
<DD>To: <joe@po*.co*>; <trey@my*.ne*>;=20
<DD>"Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com"=20
<DD><techdiver@aquanaut.com>=20
<DD>Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 12:33 PM=20
<DD>Subject: Re: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter =
Support /=20
<DD>WAS -=20
<DD>Cheap parts?<BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DD>I hit the nail on the head with that one, bananas are good =
for=20
you.<BR><BR></DD></DL>You=20
<DL>
<DD>just keep on smoking those cancer sticks, dicky do=20
boy........<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DD>At 08:54 PM 8/19/02 -0400, joe@po*.co* wrote:=20
<DD>JT, have a bananna. You'll feel better.<BR><BR>
<DD>Regards from your friend.<BR><BR>
<DD>Joe<BR><BR>
<DD>----- Original Message -----=20
<DD>From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>=20
<DD>To: <joe@po*.co*>;=20
=
<trey@my*.ne*>;<BR><BR></DD></DL>"Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com"=20
<DL>
<DD><techdiver@aquanaut.com>=20
<DD>Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 4:54 PM=20
<DD>Subject: Re: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter =
Support=20
/<BR><BR></DD></DL>WAS -=20
<DL>
<DD>Cheap parts?<BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DD>I had dinner at an Italian restaurant over the weekend and=20
there<BR><BR></DD></DL>was=20
<DL>
<DD>this=20
<DD>little curly haired old guy who looked like a woman does in=20
her<BR><BR></DD></DL>8th=20
<DL>
<DD>month=20
<DD>with that stomach sticking out there, sitting at the bar=20
enjoying<BR><BR></DD></DL>his=20
<DL>
<DD>drink=20
<DD>and cigarettes. Kinda reminded me of that guy Joe in the=20
AUE<BR><BR></DD></DL>group.=20
<DL>
<DD>At 03:44 PM 8/17/02 -0400, joe@po*.co* wrote:=20
<DD>Funny thing about the monkey. I ran into Marguerite the=20
other<BR><BR></DD></DL>day=20
<DL>
<DD>and=20
<DD>she=20
<DD>told me she had taught him to shave his body. He figured=20
he<BR><BR></DD></DL>could=20
<DL>
<DD>pass=20
<DD>himself off as a person and ran away to Hollywood to star in =
the<BR><BR></DD></DL>next=20
<DL>
<DD>version of Planet of The Apes. When he found out they=20
weren't<BR><BR></DD></DL>doing=20
<DL>
<DD>another=20
<DD>sequel he moved to Virginia Beach where he took a job as a=20
boat<BR><BR></DD></DL>captain=20
<DL>
<DD>named JT.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DD>----- Original Message -----=20
<DD>From: "George Irvine" <trey@my*.ne*>=20
<DD>To: "Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>=20
<DD>Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 10:08 AM=20
<DD>Subject: RE: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter=20
Support<BR><BR></DD></DL>/=20
<DL>
<DD>WAS -=20
<DD>Cheap parts?<BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DD>JT, the bottom line is that you are not qualified to=20
comment<BR><BR></DD></DL>on=20
<DL>
<DD>anything=20
<DD>in=20
<DD>diving, and you have proven it repeatedly. You are a=20
bad<BR><BR></DD></DL>imitation=20
<DL>
<DD>of=20
<DD>what=20
<DD>the rest of us do so easily and a complete stroke by=20
anyone's<BR><BR></DD></DL>measure,=20
<DL>
<DD>from=20
<DD>attitude to execution. Anyone who has seen you in the=20
water<BR><BR></DD></DL>knows=20
<DL>
<DD>you=20
<DD>are=20
<DD>pathetic, anyone who had read your slop on here knows you=20
are<BR><BR></DD></DL>an=20
<DL>
<DD>illiterate=20
<DD>moron.<BR><BR>
<DD>Just as in Rodney's motor thing with Christina, had she=20
paid<BR><BR></DD></DL>Rod=20
<DL>
<DD>for=20
<DD>a=20
<DD>fast motor, she would have had one to start with. You are=20
a<BR><BR></DD></DL>nickel=20
<DL>
<DD>rocket=20
<DD>of massive proportions, and it shows in all you say , do ,=20
and<BR><BR></DD></DL>use.=20
<DL>
<DD>You=20
<DD>caught Cobb bailing out of diving ( the right thing for=20
anyone<BR><BR></DD></DL>to=20
<DL>
<DD>do=20
<DD>who=20
<DD>is=20
<DD>subject to your perpetual risk creation) and got his=20
prototype<BR><BR></DD></DL>scooter=20
<DL>
<DD>cheap, so either sell it back to me or shut up. There is=20
no<BR><BR></DD></DL>way=20
<DL>
<DD>any of=20
<DD>you=20
<DD>would have paid for the clutch, and you would not need it=20
if<BR><BR></DD></DL>you=20
<DL>
<DD>were=20
<DD>not=20
<DD>so incompetent .<BR><BR>
<DD>You have an obvious reading problem. I said I bought=20
$8,000<BR><BR></DD></DL>worth=20
<DL>
<DD>of=20
<DD>Arnie=20
<DD>clutches that I thought I would never get rid of, since=20
most<BR><BR></DD></DL>people do=20
<DL>
<DD>not=20
<DD>need them. I still have more than I will likely be able=20
to<BR><BR></DD></DL>legitimately=20
<DL>
<DD>ask=20
<DD>anyone to buy. Scooters are my life support, and=20
staying<BR><BR></DD></DL>constantly=20
<DL>
<DD>hands=20
<DD>on=20
<DD>with them keeps me and=20
<DD>my team alive in the scooter dependent diving we do ,=20
and<BR><BR></DD></DL>selling=20
<DL>
<DD>them=20
<DD>to=20
<DD>other groups helps finance the WKPP exploration activities.=20
If<BR><BR></DD></DL>you=20
<DL>
<DD>don't=20
<DD>like that, too bad - for people like you there is Rodney.=20
If<BR><BR></DD></DL>you=20
<DL>
<DD>don't=20
<DD>like=20
<DD>the clutch , complain to Mako. In addition, you moron, we=20
do<BR><BR></DD></DL>not=20
<DL>
<DD>use=20
<DD>the=20
<DD>wreck scooter in the WKPP in the first place, we use the=20
PVC<BR><BR></DD></DL>standard=20
<DL>
<DD>version.<BR><BR>
<DD>Most people buy the clutches directly form Arnie or NE=20
Scuba.<BR><BR></DD></DL>The=20
<DL>
<DD>only=20
<DD>thing that needs to be known about this is that the=20
washers<BR><BR></DD></DL>for=20
<DL>
<DD>the=20
<DD>other=20
<DD>clutch will not work with the Arnie , so when they get=20
them<BR><BR></DD></DL>installed=20
<DL>
<DD>by=20
<DD>me=20
<DD>, I use the correct washers. I am sure you are going to=20
make<BR><BR></DD></DL>this=20
<DL>
<DD>mistake=20
<DD>if you can scrape together the 100 bucks or whatever=20
he<BR><BR></DD></DL>charges=20
<DL>
<DD>for=20
<DD>them.=20
<DD>Maybe you could make up a cardboard sign that says. "Will=20
work<BR><BR></DD></DL>for=20
<DL>
<DD>clutch"=20
<DD>and stand at a busy streetcorner and collect the money to=20
buy<BR><BR></DD></DL>one.=20
<DL>
<DD>This list for you is an effort to make yourself look like=20
a<BR><BR></DD></DL>tough=20
<DL>
<DD>guy,=20
<DD>but=20
<DD>all you are doing is making yourself look like one of=20
Jerry's<BR><BR></DD></DL>Kids.=20
<DL>
<DD>Your=20
<DD>constant efforts to fight with me are not going to work,=20
no<BR><BR></DD></DL>matter=20
<DL>
<DD>how=20
<DD>personal you try to get. You have proven yourself to be=20
an<BR><BR></DD></DL>incapable=20
<DL>
<DD>diver=20
<DD>with a stroke attitude who has almost nobody left willing=20
to<BR><BR></DD></DL>risk=20
<DL>
<DD>diving=20
<DD>with you and certainly nobody willing to listen to you=20
any<BR><BR></DD></DL>more.=20
<DL>
<DD>You=20
<DD>are=20
<DD>incapable of learning anything, and I just hope you don't=20
kill<BR><BR></DD></DL>anyone,=20
<DL>
<DD>even=20
<DD>yourself, since the assholes would claim it to be a=20
"DIR<BR><BR></DD></DL>death."=20
<DL>
<DD>even=20
<DD>though you have no clue what DIR is.<BR><BR>
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