As I have said before, this list is all about business for you, I have not 
decided on anything with the clutches yet. Rodney did send me an email with 
a great many details and history about the scooter parts. I did also get a 
number of emails telling me where to purchase the clutches.

  Sorry to hear Bill's marriage didn't work out, but I really don't care to 
hear about the mid life crisis you and your friends are/have been 
experiencing , this is a diving list you know. The list is about diving , 
wrecks, deco, gear, scooters(and their clutches) ;-))), ect. I do not think 
"Monkey see Monkey do" is really about diving, but I'm sure you think there 
is a connection, at least it sounds good to the neophytes and the ass kissers.


One thing, my post made everyone look at their clutches and educate 
themselves on them. So I helped save someone from a bad dive or 
worse........which is always my main goal, mashing your dick with it was an 
added bonus. I guess with all the sells of the new clutches those lurking 
could see the posted embellished bullshit about the plastic clutches 
working fine were just........  "lairs".

The only reason you made 8,000 in sales of clutches is because everyone who 
brought Gavins thought they were already getting the same product you and 
your team used on your dives, at least those close to me did, not a lesser 
version. You made the money because they believed they were getting the 
best that comes with the name "Gavin" , not what you sent them.

If you think I turned down the trade for an SS because you have a better 
scooter then at least post my reply to the guy and my list of reasons why I 
didn't do the trade. He has my permission to post it, as do you.





  At 09:06 PM 8/13/02 -0400, George Irvine wrote:

>JT, be careful using the Rodney abortion on my scooters - that ridiculous
>plate of his may push the prop assembly out to where the scooter will rest
>on the hub when stood on its tail, and that will pop out or bend the snap
>ring under the seal, and the seal will back away from the lower ring , and
>the scooter will flood, ruining the motor and making a huge mess, and if
>that happens, don't bother calling me or putting out your mindless drivel
>about it or another "confession" of blatant stupidity. Rodney is a complete
>moron, and that is why you get along with him so well, kind of like when you
>see babies appearing to "talk" to each other in baby talk.
>
>You remind of Marguerite Mee's pet monkey. She got this monkey in South
>America and got it into the US by giving it a sleeping pill and putting him
>in her carry on back on the flight back from Columbia prior to 9-11.
>Marguerite is Bill's ex wife, but they are good friends and so when she goes
>home to Columbia to see her family, Bill goes over and makes sure the monkey
>and her other pets are OK. When he goes in the house, he says the monkey is
>sitting at Marguerite's desk, wearing her glasses with one of her books
>opened like he is reading it. He then occasionally opens a jar of vitamins,
>and downs a handful, and will carry her coffee cup around and pretend to
>drink out of it. Very funny and a bit spooky.
>
>This is you, pal, all the way - a bad imitation of reality. A monkey with a
>pea brain, a big mouth, and hubris like I have never seen. You have done
>nothing but make a huge ass out of yourself for the last few days on here
>trying to fight with me, like anyone ever wins one of those, and in the
>process at least you bailed my ass out: I had $8,000 worth of the damn WKPP
>clutches that I thought I would never get rid of until you put 50 emails out
>about it, and you have never even seen one. However, what pisses me off is
>that I had to order 25 more sets of parts to make that freaking wreck
>scooter you bought since you would not trade for a Rodney and would not take
>your money back, effectively making everyone want one and screwing up my
>weekends and nights for some time to come.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]
>Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 7:36 PM
>To: girvine@be*.ne*; George Irvine; dmdalton; Duane Liptak Jr.;
>techdiver@aquanaut.com; 'Quest@Gu*. Com'; George Irvine
>Cc: vbtech@ci*.co*
>Subject: RE: George's Scooter Support / WAS - Cheap parts?
>
>
>George, just deal with Brad in private, all you and I would ever do is
>fight....... if I was talking about some other scooter, you would be
>pounding away and all for it, even on my side.
>
>
>
>At 07:08 AM 8/12/02 -0400, George Irvine wrote:
> >JT, the only thing you can "prove" by this is that you have still failed to
> >call me and get what you need. Do you need my number? 954-328-2611 any time
> >day or night, just like everyone else does.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]
> >Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 9:03 PM
> >To: George Irvine; dmdalton; Duane Liptak Jr.; techdiver@aquanaut.com;
> >'Quest@Gu*. Com'; George Irvine
> >Cc: vbtech@ci*.co*
> >Subject: RE: George's Scooter Support / WAS - Cheap parts?
> >
> >
> >Mine runs fine, you tested that one. What the others do is up to them, I'm
> >sure they just would rather have them working than anything. This would not
> >carry on so long if the guys that kiss your ass would not jump out and
> >post, prolonging the facts. I only post things I can prove.
> >
> >
> >At 08:29 PM 8/11/02 -0400, George Irvine wrote:
> > >JT, like I said, all of you can send them back and I will refund all of
> >your
> > >money. You bought the first round of wreck scooters, you got them
>yesterday
> > >when you wanted them, I told you I would take care of anything and I did.
> > >
> > >The bottom line here is I don't like you and you don't like me. Nothing
> >more
> > >, nothing less, only no matter how much I dislike you , I still took care
> >of
> > >whatever needed taking care of. And no matter how much you don't like me,
> > >you have my scooter. So either get over it or sell it back to me and get
> >one
> > >of Rod's,
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]
> > >Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 4:04 PM
> > >To: dmdalton; Duane Liptak Jr.; techdiver@aquanaut.com; 'Quest@Gu*.
> > >Com'; George Irvine
> > >Cc: vbtech@ci*.co*
> > >Subject: Re: George's Scooter Support / WAS - Cheap parts?
> > >
> > >
> > >At 06:26 PM 8/10/02 -0700, dmdalton wrote:
> > >
> > >Look, "Drift & Bob" Dalton your the biggest lair I have heard in a very
> > >long time,  Tom and Brad do not post bullshit or like to get involved in
> > >debates after getting screwed. They got the scooters, one is Dave's old
>one
> > >and Tom got his from G. Both are not real happy.......... Brad has been
> > >emailing G in private of which I am kept informed of..........Tom doesn't
> > >want to even talk to him after the last round of pounding G gave him over
>a
> > >broken switch that G said probably got broke during building, but here
>read
> > >this if you have any doubts.....
> > >
> > >At 09:46 PM 8/7/02 -0400, you wrote:
> > >
> > > >Too funny.  I had no idea.  JT, your post to Jim Thompson was right on,
> > > >the conversation to George was exactly as you stated it.
> > > >
> > > >later,
> > > >
> > > >tom
> > >
> > >read on
> > >
> > > >After I first used the scooter I found it took in a
> > > >small amount of water. I called George, told him the
> > > >problem and let HIM diagnose it. He told me the
> > > >solution and shipped me a replacement nose cone that
> > > >day, no charge. I took the scooter out with the new
> > > >nose cone and problem solved!
> > >
> > >Dalton you are so stupid.......... while trying to kiss up to G's ass you
> > >expose the fact that now 4 out of 5 of the scooters he sent us had
> > >problems, can we safely now say that he does NO QA of his scooters at all
> > >before sending them out............
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >Yes JT has had, and destroyed, more scooters than most
> > > >folks have ever owned.  And while JT has 3 scooters,
> > > >he uses one of George's he got from someone else
> > > >because his other two are in pieces.
> > >
> > >You are still a  lair.......... all are running, the Apollo always has, I
> > >don't even use the Gavin on the small dives or for digging its to dam
>big.
> > >
> > > >  He has pretty
> > > >well destroyed them while trying to re-design his
> > > >Apollos into "Gavin look alikes". However, when I last
> > > >saw one of then in April, it looked a bit more like
> > > >the "Bride of Frankenstein".
> > >
> > >You still don't know WTF you are talking about, the "Frankenstein" when
>you
> > >saw it was to be tested that day, I had never even had it in the water.
>We
> > >didn't have time and Cobb was fucking with it and the trigger wire came
> >off.
> > >
> > >One thing we did learn from your post, every scooter but the first one
>has
> > >had problems.
> > >
> > >Cobb/JT first scooter OK ..... Todd reed switch problem ..... Tom reed
> > >switch , now clutch...... Dave/Brad ran backwards, now clutch and
> > >trigger....... "Drift & Bob" Dalton leaked, bad nose cone.
> > >The sixth scooter was an SS, Bill got it, he thought it wasn't fast
>enough,
> > >Rod took him on a dive and proved it was fine, it has never leaked, broke
> > >down or trigger stuck......
> > >
> > >Dalton, at least let G know you are going to post so he can pull his dick
> > >back in so you don't step on it so hard.......
> > >
> > >
> > > >Dave Dalton
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >--- Capt JT <captjt@mi*.co*> wrote:
> > > > > Hi Duane
> > > > > So you really see no problem with him selling Gavins
> > > > > with parts in them
> > > > > that he does not even use in his own. The scooters
> > > > > are said to be the best,
> > > > > they are even advertised as having gold
> > > > > superconnectors, with all of these
> > > > > statements a 5 dollars plastic clutch is put in it
> > > > > and sent to the buyer.
> > > > > You telling me that's OK with you, did he do it to
> > > > > you? I saw nothing on
> > > > > the options page about a choice in clutches, only a
> > > > > mention in the owners
> > > > > manual part and it does not say anything in great
> > > > > detail about it, only how
> > > > > to set the clutch with the washers and such. No cost
> > > > > is found for it in
> > > > > pricing, unless someone who already knows this stuff
> > > > > tells you, you buy the
> > > > > scooter blind to this fact. Hopefully now everyone
> > > > > is aware of this and
> > > > > know what to ask for.......
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >    At 11:20 PM 8/7/02 -0500, Duane Liptak Jr. wrote:
> > > > > >The whole Gavin maintenance deal is really
> > > > > simplified once you understand
> > > > > >that the things are virtual tanks, if anything IS
> > > > > wrong, it's probably
> > > > > >something that the operator screwed up because they
> > > > > didn't know how it
> > > > > >worked, and that if there is a problem, ask Trey,
> > > > > without TELLING him what
> > > > > >you think the diagnosis should be.  Cotton in the
> > > > > appropriate place, if
> > > > > >necessary.  He'll of course know exactly what the
> > > > > problem is, and you'll be
> > > > > >back on the trigger in no time.  The only problem
> > > > > I've really had with mine
> > > > > >is wearing out blades by diving the shit out of
> > > > > them.  I, of course, thought
> > > > > >that I had screwed something up, but a phone call
> > > > > to Trey, new blades a
> > > > > >couple of days later, and viola...back in the
> > > > > saddle.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Duane
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Subject: RE: Cheap parts - video? RE: Cut to the
> > > > > chaseRE: VBTech vs. Nova
> > > > > >Tech
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I had a few problems with the reed in mine. I
> > > > > was told by JT (the other
> > > > > > > JT) that George was using the new more expensive
> > > > > reed because of
> > > > > > > pressure from customers who were being swayed by
> > > > > the fact that Rodney
> > > > > > > uses a quality reed whereas George's old
> > > > > scooters just used a cheap
> > > > > > > Radio Shack one, even though the cheap one
> > > > > worked fine. But apparently
> > > > > > > the more expensive one is more finicky so, on
> > > > > Jim's advice (relayed from
> > > > > > > George) I threw it away and replaced it with the
> > > > > cheap one - no more
> > > > > > > problems.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And George was nothing but helpful in getting
> > > > > the problems sorted out -
> > > > > > > even sending me a free replacement relay when I
> > > > > insisted that I thought
> > > > > > > the problem was in there (George said it would
> > > > > be the reed from the
> > > > > > > start - should've listened).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ian
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi Jim
> > > > > > > > I will not say the scooters are not fun and do
> > > > > not get the job done.
> > > > > > > What
> > > > > > > > happen was 2 of the scooters would stick on or
> > > > > not come on. George
> > > > > > > said to
> > > > > > > > rotate the reed switch, this worked for one.
> > > > > The other would still
> > > > > > > stick
> > > > > > > > on, I told the guy he had a bad switch or
> > > > > something. We also found
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > latch was placed right over the switch and if
> > > > > you unclipped it the
> > > > > > > scooter
> > > > > > > > would finally cut off. The only thing we could
> > > > > figure was that the
> > > > > > > > pressure
> > > > > > > > from the latch was distorting the reed switch.
> > > > > The guy email this to
> > > > > > > > George
> > > > > > > > and George pounded him on "How the hell is the
> > > > > water pressure doing
> > > > > > > that",
> > > > > > > > some kind of communication break down happened
> > > > > and the guy didn't want
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > get pounded by G again, so I told him to just
> > > > > tell G to send another
> > > > > > > > switch
> > > > > > > > and just pay for it. That fixed the problem.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The clutches are a separate issue, I do not
> > > > > think anyone knew they
> > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > getting a cheap clutch or that there was a
> > > > > different one that G uses.
> > > > > > > All
> > > > > > > > the guys saw was the one that Cobb got and it
> > > > > worked fine, the
> > > > > > > following
> > > > > > > > ones had minor problems, one ran
> > > > > backwards....... I did not even know
> > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > the scooters needing a better clutch and one
> > > > > would think that G would
> > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > even offer them to anyone with less than the
> > > > > best parts.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >   Rodney no longer puts the slower motor in
> > > > > his because of the posting
> > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > put out on how slow Christina's was. Now the
> > > > > buyer will only get the
> > > > > > > best
> > > > > > > > and does not have an option, G needs to do the
> > > > > same thing so the buyer
> > > > > > > > does
> > > > > > > > not feel short changed.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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