At 08:36 AM 8/10/02 -0400, George Irvine wrote:
>JT, the "WKPP" clutch is a three part deal - an aluminum plate, a delrin
>upper mating hub, and a delrin hub that goes over that to capture the
>adjustable pitch assembly. They are very finicky and must be set to maximum
>slip or they will not slip at all.

George, you may think I'm being hard to get along with , but I only want 
you to let the buyer have the option of which clutch he wants, is that to 
much to ask? You do not have this on your site when I last looked. Most 
will want the same thing you use, something wrong with that? None of us 
even knew there were other clutches and your site did not mention it.
If the plastic clutches would have slipped on a serious dive or at some 
other time that would have caused unnecessary stress, lost dive, ect. they 
will not reset once they have slipped......we are 2 for 2 on that 
happening, I would have been real pissed. Our dives are real important to 
us, it may be just another sell to you, but our dives take a lot of time 
and money.

I know Brad is talking to you about getting the delrin clutch, you told him 
it was easy to install.




>-----Original Message-----
>From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]
>Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 4:39 PM
>To: Duane Liptak Jr.; techdiver@aquanaut.com; 'Quest@Gu*. Com'
>Subject: Re: Cheap parts?
>
>
>Duane
>I would have to take your word on the delrin clutch as being a pain in the
>ass we were not offered any others just the plastic ones and knew nothing
>about the others. Both scooters only slipped once and would never reset
>itself, I feel that the motors are so strong that they make the screw
>loosen from the stops and starts. The screw is clockwise, once the clutch
>slips the screw comes loose, we had one come completely off in the water .
>The Apollo is different the screw is counter clockwise and can only tighten
>and the clutch is SS a very good design. One guy has already ordered a new
>clutch from G and we will see what the deal is, I would also like to know
>of any other clutches that are offered and where to get them, I would like
>to have a choice in kind and supplier.
>
>JT
>
>
>      At 08:41 AM 8/9/02 -0500, Duane Liptak Jr. wrote:
> >JT,
> >     Bill Gavin had the $5 clutch on his scooter, and I had one on mine for
>a
> >while.  The Oceanic clutch is a lot less likely to slip, even when you want
> >it to, but it will not hold up to repeatedly slipping.  The only reason we
> >use the other clutch is because we need the ability to slip and re-engage
> >the clutch repeatedly to get the job done in case the relay sticks on.  For
> >what you guys are doing, it should have worked fine.  The plastic clutch
> >requires a lot less fussing with to set up, it should not slip unless you
> >want it to, or you plow furrows in the sand with it, and if you do slip one
> >bad enough to strip it, you can throw the damn thing away and put on a new
> >one for $5.  You can do this over 20 times before you would break even on
> >the other clutch.  The delrin clutch is a pain in the ass, dealing with the
> >supplier can be like cretin day at the goat rodeo, and I much preferred the
> >plastic clutch, but like I said, we need the ability to do the infinite
> >slipping.
> >     You guys got the first of a batch of experimental scooters.  If it
>were
> >me, I would have expected to work closely with the builder to sort out the
> >details.  These things were built for what you guys wanted, and you had
> >about the best opportunity possible to get them refined to where they
>suited
> >your needs perfectly.  I think you would have been a lot happier with the
> >scooters and with the end result if some of that infamous pride got
> >swallowed, and more questions were asked.  :-)
> >
> >Duane
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>
> >To: "Duane Liptak Jr." <dliptakjr@ea*.ne*>; <techdiver@aquanaut.com>;
> >"'Quest@Gu*. Com'" <quest@gu*.co*>
> >Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 5:08 PM
> >Subject: Re: Cheap parts?
> >
> >
> > > Hi Duane
> > > So you really see no problem with him selling Gavins with parts in them
> > > that he does not even use in his own. The scooters are said to be the
> >best,
> > > they are even advertised as having gold superconnectors, with all of
>these
> > > statements a 5 dollars plastic clutch is put in it and sent to the
>buyer.
> > > You telling me that's OK with you, did he do it to you? I saw nothing on
> > > the options page about a choice in clutches, only a mention in the
>owners
> > > manual part and it does not say anything in great detail about it, only
> >how
> > > to set the clutch with the washers and such. No cost is found for it in
> > > pricing, unless someone who already knows this stuff tells you, you buy
> >the
> > > scooter blind to this fact. Hopefully now everyone is aware of this and
> > > know what to ask for.......
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >    At 11:20 PM 8/7/02 -0500, Duane Liptak Jr. wrote:
> > > >The whole Gavin maintenance deal is really simplified once you
>understand
> > > >that the things are virtual tanks, if anything IS wrong, it's probably
> > > >something that the operator screwed up because they didn't know how it
> > > >worked, and that if there is a problem, ask Trey, without TELLING him
> >what
> > > >you think the diagnosis should be.  Cotton in the appropriate place, if
> > > >necessary.  He'll of course know exactly what the problem is, and
>you'll
> >be
> > > >back on the trigger in no time.  The only problem I've really had with
> >mine
> > > >is wearing out blades by diving the shit out of them.  I, of course,
> >thought
> > > >that I had screwed something up, but a phone call to Trey, new blades a
> > > >couple of days later, and viola...back in the saddle.
> > > >
> > > >Duane
> > > >
> > > >Subject: RE: Cheap parts - video? RE: Cut to the chaseRE: VBTech vs.
>Nova
> > > >Tech
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I had a few problems with the reed in mine. I was told by JT (the
> >other
> > > > > JT) that George was using the new more expensive reed because of
> > > > > pressure from customers who were being swayed by the fact that
>Rodney
> > > > > uses a quality reed whereas George's old scooters just used a cheap
> > > > > Radio Shack one, even though the cheap one worked fine. But
>apparently
> > > > > the more expensive one is more finicky so, on Jim's advice (relayed
> >from
> > > > > George) I threw it away and replaced it with the cheap one - no more
> > > > > problems.
> > > > >
> > > > > And George was nothing but helpful in getting the problems sorted
> >out -
> > > > > even sending me a free replacement relay when I insisted that I
> >thought
> > > > > the problem was in there (George said it would be the reed from the
> > > > > start - should've listened).
> > > > >
> > > > > Ian
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Jim
> > > > > > I will not say the scooters are not fun and do not get the job
>done.
> > > > > What
> > > > > > happen was 2 of the scooters would stick on or not come on. George
> > > > > said to
> > > > > > rotate the reed switch, this worked for one. The other would still
> > > > > stick
> > > > > > on, I told the guy he had a bad switch or something. We also found
> > > > > that
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > latch was placed right over the switch and if you unclipped it the
> > > > > scooter
> > > > > > would finally cut off. The only thing we could figure was that the
> > > > > > pressure
> > > > > > from the latch was distorting the reed switch. The guy email this
>to
> > > > > > George
> > > > > > and George pounded him on "How the hell is the water pressure
>doing
> > > > > that",
> > > > > > some kind of communication break down happened and the guy didn't
> >want
> > > > > to
> > > > > > get pounded by G again, so I told him to just tell G to send
>another
> > > > > > switch
> > > > > > and just pay for it. That fixed the problem.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The clutches are a separate issue, I do not think anyone knew they
> > > > > would
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > getting a cheap clutch or that there was a different one that G
> >uses.
> > > > > All
> > > > > > the guys saw was the one that Cobb got and it worked fine, the
> > > > > following
> > > > > > ones had minor problems, one ran backwards....... I did not even
> >know
> > > > > > about
> > > > > > the scooters needing a better clutch and one would think that G
> >would
> > > > > not
> > > > > > even offer them to anyone with less than the best parts.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >   Rodney no longer puts the slower motor in his because of the
> >posting
> > > > > I
> > > > > > put out on how slow Christina's was. Now the buyer will only get
>the
> > > > > best
> > > > > > and does not have an option, G needs to do the same thing so the
> >buyer
> > > > > > does
> > > > > > not feel short changed.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
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