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JT... you did the right thing getting rid of those pieces of crap gavin scooters they are truly a piece of garbage... unless you dive with wkpp they get the good stuff, everyone else gets shit, but guess what JT... they don't know anything different, Rodney is a great person and will take care of you... just do your self a favor a forget about it.... the boy george is truly a legend in his own mind... hey irvine just because, go fuck yourself again you dumb fuck! Little Johnny John joe@po*.co* wrote: > FYI, I *NEVER* let the mate touch *ANY* of my gear. If you can't handle the > scooter on your own, you need to swim. There is no science to this. If you > don't drop it off a cliff, it will work. > > Your friend. > > Joe > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*> > To: "George Irvine" <trey@my*.ne*> > Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; <vbtech@ci*.co*> > Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 8:09 PM > Subject: RE: Cut to the chaseRE: VBTech vs. Nova Tech > > > At 07:29 AM 8/6/02 -0400, George Irvine wrote: > > >That is the only decent scooter you have ever owned, but you do not > > >understand it ( as evidenced again by this post), and too proud to ask. > Go > > >talk to Rodney and let him explain it to you. Rodney will not threaten > your > > >ego. I will reimburse Rodney for anything that he has to do other than > talk > > >to you. > > > > The truth is I've busted both you guys with your scooters now, I posted > the > > truth about the one he sold to Christina and we used it on the Doria, it > > sucked and he made it right.......now its your turn. > > > > > > >And, I did not charge anyone for anything. If they want to buy extra > parts, > > >I sell them at cost. > > > > It was not an extra part, it did not work right from the start........ > > > > > That reed switch is a five dollar part, the clutch is a > > >five dollar part unless you get one that is intended to slip repeatedly > > >without wearing, like the one we use cave diving which costs more like > 120. > > > > So you admit to selling the guys low end "Gavin Scooters" with low end > > parts, not like the ones you use. > > > > >In your case you just need to be able to turn the pitch off at deco if it > > >sticks on. We need to be able to turn it down, then stop the scooter and > > >turn it back up as we switch stages. Also, you want the thing to slip if > it > > >hits something ( like it did when your mate stuck his hands in the prop > and > > >pulled the trigger) so that the relay does not blow when the motor stalls > or > > >in the case of a long term stall , so it does not fry the windings of the > > >motor. > > > > When everyone first got these scooters we told them it would not be the > > mates job to move these things around, if they need help with these big > ass > > things then they need to instruct the mate on what they want done and then > > "TIP" him for the added work the scooters cause. He doesn't own one so how > > does he know what you want done with it or how YOU want it laid or handed > > to you. That goes for any boat, who ever owns the scooter needs to tell > the > > mate what they want, mates are not mind readers. > > > > > > >Please call Rodney and ask him how scooters work in general. I doubt he > > >knows anything like what I know, but he should be able to tell you enough > to > > >keep the nonsense to a minimum and keep you up and running, and that is > > >really all you need. If you were using these devices the way I use them, > > >well we would have to find a way around your resentments long enough to > show > > >you the real story. > > > > > >Anyway, seriously, go to Rodney and I will call him today and tell him I > > >will reimburse for any expenses he has in dealing with you. > > > > I don't have to call Rodney, he is reading this shit and laughing his ass > > off..........he didn't like it when I pounded his scooter on here and > > neither do you. My post are what others are afraid to post, so everyone > > knows what the deal is, I bet now when someone buys a scooter from you > they > > will ask you if it has the RIGHT clutch in it like you use, not the 5 > > dollar piece of shit one you sold us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*] > > >Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 3:48 PM > > >To: George Irvine; George Irvine; George Irvine; George Irvine > > >Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com; vbtech@ci*.co* > > >Subject: RE: Cut to the chaseRE: VBTech vs. Nova Tech > > > > > > > > >The scooters are fine, but you do not have to pound the guys when they > > >email you and you should not have charged the guy for the broken > > >reedswitch. The clutch is a design problem because it is plastic and the > > >new motors have to much kick which loosens the screw over time. Once the > > >clutch slips it needs to be replaced. The plastic rounds over.......... I > > >do not even think it needs a clutch, it is not a digging scooter and a > > >diver should be able to see anything about to be sucked into it as it is > in > > >front of him. > > > > > >I will keep the one I have as I am not likely to get another for the > price > > >I paid for it, but when I build my new one I may sell it, I have 3 > scooters > > >right now. > > > > > >At 06:37 AM 8/5/02 -0400, George Irvine wrote: > > > >You mean the guys who quit diving resold them to the ones who are still > > > >there, like you for instance. Give Rodney a call - he specializes in > people > > > >who don't get it and have a problem with me. He is right nearby, and I > am > > > >sure he would love to tell you how to take care of your issues. > Meanwhile, > > > >the other 400 people out there who have them will do as they always do, > ask > > > >me and get what they need right away, but you keep complaining and see > how > > > >hard you can make it. > > > > > > > >Like I said, JT, if you do not like the scooter, sell it back. I will > > >refund > > > >the money. > > > > > > > >I made that set for your team for wreck diving. You are the "expert". > If > > >the > > > >thing is no good for wreck diving, please tell us all so nobody else > will > > > >make the same "mistake" you feel that you made by buying one. > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*] > > > >Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 7:16 PM > > > >To: George Irvine; George Irvine; George Irvine > > > >Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com; vbtech@ci*.co* > > > >Subject: RE: Cut to the chaseRE: VBTech vs. Nova Tech > > > > > > > > > > > >All the 6 scooters but 2 have already been resold, I got Cobbs and it > was > > > >the only one that worked right from the start. If I need anything I'm > sure > > > >Rodney can get it for me with all the BS that comes with it. > > > > > > > >At 06:46 AM 8/2/02 -0400, George Irvine wrote: > > > > >JT, if you or your boys don't like the scooters, I will take them > back > > >and > > > > >give you your money back. If you need something , call me or write > like > > > > >anyone else and get it like anyone else. > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > > >From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*] > > > > >Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 4:05 PM > > > > >To: George Irvine; George Irvine > > > > >Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com; vbtech@ci*.co* > > > > >Subject: RE: Cut to the chaseRE: VBTech vs. Nova Tech > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >They already tried that with you, I don't mind going public with > > >anything. > > > > >Remember the reed switch, you pounded that guy in private and I > finally > > > > >told him to tell you to send a new switch and pay for it, the dam > thing > > > > >never worked right from the minute he got the scooter. Then you told > him > > > > >you probably broke it building the scooter. Then one of the guys got > one > > > > >that ran backwards. Below is the post I made on VBtech about the > > >scootors, > > > > >this is when first noticed the reedswitch problem. The clutch problem > I > > > > >looked at last night, once it slips it isn't anymore good looks like > as > > >the > > > > >plastic just smooths over. It is a design problem, nothing you did > this > > > > >time. > > > > > > > > > >At 07:49 PM 2/18/02 -0500, JT wrote: > > > > >Hi everyone > > > > >Short trip report on this past weekends gavin scooter test . Dave > Widen , > > > > >Tom Sawicki, and myself headed for lake Rawlings on Sunday to test 3 > > >gavin > > > > >scooters. Dave and Tom had their own scooters they had just purchased > and > > >I > > > > >was using Cobbs. None had been used by us in the water yet and only > Cobbs > > > > >had been test run by George on a dive. > > > > > > > > > >We arrived at the lake after a bit of delay and soon geared up for > the > > > > >dive. We all chose to dive streamed lined (no stages or lights) to > > > > >concentrate on the scooter itself. The water was 49 degrees and I > felt > > >very > > > > >comfortable in it. > > > > > > > > > >We all entered the water and I asked if everyone was ready and they > said > > > > >yes. I submerged and scootered about 40ft and looked back to find no > one > > > > >there. I waited about 3 minutes and Tom came out, I asked where Dave > was > > > > >and he did a funny motion to the scooter, we surfaced because I could > not > > > > >understand what he was saying. > > > > > > > > > >If seems as we all submerged to go, Tom and I were the only ones > headed > > >to > > > > >the center of the lake. Dave on the other hand soon found he was > being > > > > >pushed back to the parking lot, his scooter was running backwards. > > > > > > > > > >Tom and I did a short run of 10 minures to come back and get Dave. > Dave > > >had > > > > >taken his scooter apart to find the wires had been crossed in the > engine > > > > >compartment, he crossed the wires at the plug and was ready to go, > the > > > > >scooter had cut a 1/4 of inch off his nose when it backed into his > face > > >and > > > > >I thought I heard him mumble something about calling Alton Hall just > > >before > > > > >he went underwater. ;-)) (joking a bit here) > > > > > > > > > >We did a complete lap and a half around the lake in 36 minutes, we > were > > > > >really moving. Things we found out. > > > > > > > > > >Tom's reedswitch sticks and needs to be turned, much like Todds was. > > > > > > > > > >Dave and Cobb's are about the same speed, Tom's is faster. > > > > >The scooters need about 1.5 lbs to be neutral in FW. > > > > >The weight must be placed perfect to get it balanced for the handle > to > > >ride > > > > >up right. > > > > >The motors have so much torque that the handle wants to rotate to the > > >left, > > > > >this requires you to use a lot of wrist and arm muscle to keep the > > >trigger > > > > >and handle up right. > > > > >If the tow rope is not perfect the scooter pulls up or down, never > even. > > > > >Over all I was pleased with the scooters, much of the things are > easily > > > > >corrected and operator error. > > > > >Several of these things will be adjusted this week and we plan to > return > > >to > > > > >lake Rawlings this Saturday with a large group for training and > testing. > > >We > > > > >will have several "kinds" of scooters for testing and playing, this > is > > > > >where you test new gear, not on an ocean dive that is a real deal and > > >cost > > > > >a lot. Contact Dave Widen he is the coordinator for the dive. > > > > >Hope to see you guys there. > > > > >JT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 06:41 AM 8/1/02 -0400, George Irvine wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >Try calling me and asking . Everyone and anyone else on your team > or > > > > > >anywhere else who has one merely emails me or calls me if they need > > > > > >something, and they get it immediately. You are too "proud" to > call > > >and > > > > >ask > > > > > >me, like I told you to do in the fist place. > > > > > > > > > > > >Now you can this to your list of "confessions". You need a priest > and a > > > >set > > > > > >of Rosary beads, not Techdiver. > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > > > >From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*] > > > > > >Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 5:24 PM > > > > > >To: George Irvine > > > > > >Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com; vbtech@ci*.co* > > > > > >Subject: Re: Cut to the chaseRE: VBTech vs. Nova Tech > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >George, make any suggestion you want, it matters not to me. But you > can > > > > > >help us up here. We are having some problems with your scooters and > the > > > > > >guys are a bit reluctant about asking you how to fix them. 2 of > them > > >the > > > > > >clutch is slipping and the trigger keeps coming off of one. Any > > > >suggestions > > > > > >on the clutch problem, the scooters are unusable at this time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 09:21 PM 7/30/02 -0400, George Irvine wrote: > > > > > > >JT, let's cut to the chase here: everytime I make a suggestion , > you > > > >want > > > > > > >to fight about it while ignoring the suggestion. If anyone else > makes > > > >the > > > > > > >same suggestion, you want to "challenge" them to a dive. Just > ague > > >the > > > > > > >suggestion, not what you think I do or did or what anyone else > does . > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Everytime there is a real idiot, like the guy on the Seeker who > wants > > > >to > > > > >do > > > > > > >battle with me or my friends, you want to defend them. If you > want to > > > > >keep > > > > > > >doing that, take it off line. You can express your paranoia and > your > > > > > > >concern about my "agenda" without wasting everyone else's time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >You are so upset that people listen to me, and you are especially > > > > >concerned > > > > > > >if they buy some piece of gear that I use. Why don't you take > over > > >for > > > >me > > > > > > >and show everyone what the good stuff is? ( I can answer why you > do > > >not > > > > >and > > > > > > >why nobody listens to you - you don't have any and you don't > know). > > >But > > > > >you > > > > > > >can stay all upset about it. Most of the jerks who want to fight > with > > > >me > > > > > >all > > > > > > >the time have the same beef, only no better answers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >You get on here year after year with stories of deaths , > accidents > > >and > > > > > > >clusterfucks with your latest "confession" ( like failing > > > >Fundamentals), > > > > > > >and then go do the same things over and over and over again while > > > > >expecting > > > > > > >different results. Then you want to assume that everyone else has > the > > > > >same > > > > > > >self-imposed problems, and go into paranoia mode about it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >You need to worry about yourself. You are not qualified to worry > > >about > > > > > > >anyone else. By the way, your "tough guy" attitude about diving > is > > >Page > > > > >One > > > > > > >definition of a stroke. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > > > > >From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*] > > > > > > >Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 4:43 PM > > > > > > >To: girvine@be*.ne* > > > > > > >Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com; vbtech@ci*.co* > > > > > > >Subject: RE: VBTech vs. Nova Tech > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I see the truth really gets to you, blows your cover of doing > > > >everything > > > > > > >right and by the book. I am the biggest thorn in your back > because I > > > >just > > > > > > >tell the truth, nothing more. I do not have to claim to dive in > 28ft > > > >seas > > > > > > >(funny how it was reduced to a mere 19ft at the next DIR class > and > > >then > > > > > > >increased the deep dive of 475ft to the following) or do 575ft > dives > > >to > > > > > > >impress the class, most students are of the new type and just > eager > > >to > > > > >fit > > > > > > >in with someone or group and believe anything. I've been around > > >awhile > > > > >and > > > > > > >tend to check out the facts or just laugh at the obvious. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to > get in > > > >the > > > > > >water" > > > > > >Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more > > > > > > Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/ > > > > > >Email captjt@mi*.co* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > > > > >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to > `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > > > > >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to > > >`techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get > in > > >the > > > > >water" > > > > >Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more > > > > > Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/ > > > > >Email captjt@mi*.co* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > > > >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to > `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > > > >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to > `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > > > > > > > > > > >"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in > the > > > >water" > > > >Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more > > > > Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/ > > > >Email captjt@mi*.co* > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > > >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > > >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to > `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > > > > > > > >"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in > the > > >water" > > >Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more > > > Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/ > > >Email captjt@mi*.co* > > > > > > > > >-- > > >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > > > > > "You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in > the > > water" > > Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more > > Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/ > > Email captjt@mi*.co* > > > > > > -- > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > > > > > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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