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At 07:14 AM 8/8/02 -0400, George Irvine wrote:
>I can't follow this , JT.

Didn't think you could or would.

>One is supposed to check the gear out of the water and then make sure you 
>can reach the valves in the water, but that is it. I know some of them 
>like to turn them off and on, but that is not necessary in real life.

Agreed

>  Tell me what this is in your own words in general, not who did what.

 From my first post to this thread....
the BUDDY CHECK shit they think they
learn in the class. Then they quit diving............

Notice I said " they THINK they learn in the class".






>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]
>>Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 4:48 PM
>>To: George Irvine; George Irvine; Christian Gerzner
>>Cc: George Irvine; techdiver@aquanaut.com
>>Subject: RE: Cut to the chaseRE: VBTech vs. Nova Tech
>>
>>At 10:56 PM 8/6/02 -0400, George Irvine wrote:
>>>I am almost afraid to ask. What is the "buddy check" thing they do?
>>Parts of the below email are from the report posted from one of the 2 
>>that quit diving after 2 DIR fundamentals classes. With all the checks 
>>and double checks, the only thing missing was someone saying Roger Roger 
>>and they could have been in Star Wars I The Phantom Menace as one of the 
>>robots..........Still with all the practice and 2 classes, they claim the 
>>OOA drill went smooth and then 2 days later announced at the NOVA Tech 
>>meeting diving was over......... doesn't sound to me like it went smooth, 
>>more like I saw my life flash before my eyes during my panic.........
>>
>>
>>
>>At 08:01 PM 7/24/02 -0400, xxxx wrote:
>>
>>We have really started doing the pre-dive gear check that GUE teaches in 
>>the fundamentals course and it has already saved some people some minor 
>>discomfort by identifying things prior to getting in the water.  It's a 
>>great way to ensure you and your buddy are squared away before getting in 
>>the water.  I was leading the drill for me and xxxxxxx and I didn't hear 
>>her say "check" after checking her backup while looking at her SPG.  I 
>>turned and said, did you check it?  She said yes, but I asked her to do 
>>it again while I was watching.  She checked the valve open, and breathed 
>>another 3 breaths off of the back up while looking at the SPG.  She 
>>swears that the SPG was steady for all three inhalations.
>>
>>
>>
>>Obviously a mistake had been made somewhere.  Maybe she turned it off 
>>when in the boat by accident I don't know, but I witnessed her checking 
>>it at least once and she swears that she had done it once before too (the 
>>check includes taking 3 long breaths off of the reg).  I have a theory 
>>about what happened but I'll let JT stew over that one for a 
>>while.  Either way, a mistake was made and it was time to deal with 
>>it.  The reason we train this way is so that it's all natural and part of 
>>our muscle memory when something happens whether it be gear or human error.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]
>>>Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 8:04 PM
>>>To: George Irvine; Christian Gerzner
>>>Cc: George Irvine; techdiver@aquanaut.com
>>>Subject: RE: Cut to the chaseRE: VBTech vs. Nova Tech
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>At 07:06 AM 8/5/02 -0400, George Irvine wrote:
>>> >Christian, the guy is full of shit. He is his usual resentful self 
>>> here. He
>>> >bought one of them from Jim Cobb who quit diving as did two other guys
>>>after
>>> >Andrew's fundamentals class. If they were so bad, why did they stay in 
>>> the
>>> >team. The fact is the guys who did have any problems or questions
>>> >immediately called me or emailed and I took care of it or told them 
>>> what to
>>> >do.
>>>
>>>Lets get it right , the truth is Cobb has quit for that and other
>>>reasons...... the other 2 took the fundamentals TWICE and had it down so
>>>pat one almost killed the other with the BUDDY CHECK shit they think they
>>>learn in the class. Then they quit diving............
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in the
>>>water"
>>>Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more
>>>   Web Site  http://www.capt-jt.com/
>>>Email     captjt@mi*.co*
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in 
>>the water"
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>>  Web Site  http://www.capt-jt.com/
>>Email     captjt@mi*.co*
>
>
>"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in 
>the water"
>Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more
>  Web Site  http://www.capt-jt.com/
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At 07:14 AM 8/8/02 -0400, George Irvine wrote:<br>
<font face="arial" size=2 color="#0000FF"><blockquote type=cite cite>I
can't follow this , JT. </font></blockquote><br>
Didn't think you could or would.<br>
<br>
<font face="arial" size=2 color="#0000FF"><blockquote type=cite cite>One
is supposed to check the gear out of the water and then make sure you can
reach the valves in the water, but that is it. I know some of them like
to turn them off and on, but that is not necessary in real
life.</font></blockquote><br>
Agreed<br>
<br>
<font face="arial" size=2 color="#0000FF"><blockquote type=cite
cite> Tell
me what this is in your own words in general, not who did what.
</font></blockquote><br>
 From my first post to this thread....<br>
the BUDDY CHECK shit they think they<br>
learn in the class. Then they quit diving............<br>
<br>
Notice I said " they THINK they learn in the class".<br>
<br>
<br>
 <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote><font face="tahoma" size=2><blockquote type=cite cite>
<dl>
<dd>-----Original Message-----
<dd>From:</b> Capt JT
[<a href="mailto:captjt@mi*.co*"
eudora="autourl">mailto:captjt@mi*.co*</a>]
<dd>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 07, 2002 4:48 PM
<dd>To:</b> George Irvine; George Irvine; Christian Gerzner
<dd>Cc:</b> George Irvine; techdiver@aquanaut.com
<dd>Subject:</b> RE: Cut to the chaseRE: VBTech vs. Nova Tech<br>
<br>
</font>
<dd>At 10:56 PM 8/6/02 -0400, George Irvine
wrote:<blockquote type=cite cite>
<dd>I am almost afraid to ask. What is the "buddy check" thing
they do?</blockquote>
<dd>Parts of the below email are from the report posted from one of the 2
that quit diving after 2 DIR fundamentals classes. With all the checks
and double checks, the only thing missing was someone saying Roger Roger
and they could have been in Star Wars I The Phantom Menace as one of the
robots..........Still with all the practice and 2 classes, they claim the
OOA drill went smooth and then 2 days later announced at the NOVA Tech
meeting diving was over......... doesn't sound to me like it went smooth,
more like I saw my life flash before my eyes during my panic.........
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>

<dd>At 08:01 PM 7/24/02 -0400, xxxx wrote:
<dd> <font face="arial" size=2>
<dd>We have really started doing the pre-dive gear check that GUE teaches
in the fundamentals course and it has already saved some people some
minor discomfort by identifying things prior to getting in the
water.  It's a great way to ensure you and your buddy are squared
away before getting in the water.  I was leading the drill for me
and xxxxxxx and I didn't hear her say "check" after checking
her backup while looking at her SPG.  I turned and said, did you
check it?  She said yes, but I asked her to do it again while I was
watching.  She checked the valve open, and breathed another 3
breaths off of the back up while looking at the SPG.  She swears
that the SPG was steady for all three inhalations.  </font>
<dd> <font face="arial" size=2>
<dd>  </font>
<dd> <font face="arial" size=2>
<dd>Obviously a mistake had been made somewhere.  Maybe she turned
it off when in the boat by accident I don't know, but I witnessed her
checking it at least once and she swears that she had done it once before
too (the check includes taking 3 long breaths off of the reg).  I
have a theory about what happened but I'll let JT stew over that one for
a while.  Either way, a mistake was made and it was time to deal
with it.  The reason we train this way is so that it's all natural
and part of our muscle memory when something happens whether it be gear
or human error.  </font>
<dd> <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>
<dd>-----Original Message-----
<dd>From: Capt JT
[<a href="mailto:captjt@mi*.co*"
eudora="autourl">mailto:captjt@mi*.co*</a>]
<dd>Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 8:04 PM
<dd>To: George Irvine; Christian Gerzner
<dd>Cc: George Irvine; techdiver@aquanaut.com
<dd>Subject: RE: Cut to the chaseRE: VBTech vs. Nova Tech<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>

<dd>At 07:06 AM 8/5/02 -0400, George Irvine wrote:
<dd>>Christian, the guy is full of shit. He is his usual resentful
self here. He
<dd>>bought one of them from Jim Cobb who quit diving as did two other
guys
<dd>after
<dd>>Andrew's fundamentals class. If they were so bad, why did they
stay in the
<dd>>team. The fact is the guys who did have any problems or
questions
<dd>>immediately called me or emailed and I took care of it or told
them what to
<dd>>do.<br>
<br>

<dd>Lets get it right , the truth is Cobb has quit for that and other
<dd>reasons...... the other 2 took the fundamentals TWICE and had it down
so
<dd>pat one almost killed the other with the BUDDY CHECK shit they think
they
<dd>learn in the class. Then they quit diving............<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>

<dd>"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to
get in the
<dd>water"
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<dd>  Web Site 
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eudora="autourl">http://www.capt-jt.com/</a>
<dd>Email     captjt@mi*.co*<br>
<br>
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