I know, I know. It is just a lot of work diving way out. The sick thing is
that down here we have the best diving in the world 65 miles away in the
Bahamas, and these broke dick nickel rockets won't go there other than with
liveaboards , so for any really good diving here, we have to go with the
sportfishing boats.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Cobb [mailto:cobber@ci*.co*]
Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 9:26 AM
To: George Irvine
Cc: Joe; Capt JT; techdiver@aquanaut.com; VB Tech
Subject: Re: Cut to the chaseRE: VBTech vs. Nova Tech


Funny thing George, I think that a lot of the guy's like the long trip
part. You sit around catching up on reading and sleeping after a hard
weeks work. At least I enjoyed it, having no seasickness problems. I think
we've had this conversation before, divers and their equipment are really
hard on a boat, as any skipper will attest. I could just see the look on a
owners face as a  set of 104's smashes into his gold-plater's brightwork.

When you do "cut to the chase" I guess the only real way to do it is to
own your own custom, diver-proofed Buddy Davis with compressor, HE and O2
integrated system, ROV, paid full time diver trained crew and Captain. But
then if I had *that* kind of money I'd be damed if I'd be tech diving. I'd
own a newtsuit or sub.

    Jim

On Saturday, August 3, 2002, at 07:59 AM, George Irvine wrote:

> Jim, Brett Gilliam can say the same thing. Does that mean we need to be
> doing what he does?
>
> On the boat thing, running five hours offshore on a 12 knot piece of shit
> is
> not too cool. Pony up and charter one of those 35 knot Buddy Davis boats
> and
> do it right. Diving is supposed to be easy and fun, not a tough guy
> competition.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Cobb [mailto:cobber@ci*.co*]
> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 7:22 PM
> To: Joe
> Cc: Capt JT; techdiver@aquanaut.com; VB Tech
> Subject: Re: Cut to the chaseRE: VBTech vs. Nova Tech
>
>
> All right, let's cut the bullshit, Joe. You are lying now. First off I
> said that the chase boat on this particular dive boat is hard to deploy,
> not "in a state of disrepair". Also I said that JT ensures the chase
> boat is running, fueled and ready before even leaving the dock.
>
> I will also add that, unlike your pussy 100' vis 10min boat ride florida
> dives (done in wetsuits with steel tanks, from all the pictures I've
> seen on Barnett's web site), the tech dives up here take hours to get
> to, most of the time through big seas.
>
> Tech dives up here take days of planning and coordination and are not
> considered afternoon larks like you FL divers. The dives are deep, dark
> and cold. You could spend weeks preparing, be geared up, tanked up with
> HE the night before and have the dive called. What do you do then? You
> suck it up and get ready for the next trip.
>
> You Florida knuckleheads would be whining and moaning the whole way.
> Everytime you MF's come up here you spend the whole trip out and back
> barfing over the side rolled up in a green ball.
>
> And, Joe, what exactly are *your* bonafides? JT has an entire website
> with hundreds of pictures and hundreds of witnesses who can state
> exactly what kind of diver he is. You can criticize him all you want but
> you don't do the number of dives JT does and survive out of sheer
> chance. JT has a track record of planning, executing and surviving
> hundreds of dives of all depths in all conditions.
>
> You, on the other hand, nobody has never heard of, has no track record
> of any kind and appears to be a sock puppet for Barnett and company. How
> pitiful. I did some snooping on the internet and cannot find a single
> bit of information on anything to do with you and diving.
>
> (I know, I know, now you are going to pull out the "oh look at Cobb, who
> quit diving running his mouth again". Well at least when I dove I told
> the truth and didn't sit there with some puppetmaster pulling my
> strings. Sure George and I collaborated on a couple of projects on this
> list that needed working on, but I never said anything that did not need
> saying.)
>
> So, Joe, why don't you sit down and shut the fuck up until you can
> prove, as JT has done, that you actually dive, that you dive in
> something other than than gin-clear bathtubs and have planned, setup,
> paid for and run multi-day technical dives? Maybe you do, maybe you
> don't. Nobody knows. Do you fish or do you chop bait? Let's see your
> cards, buddy. Just who the fuck are *you*?
>
>     Jim
>
> On Friday, August 2, 2002, at 06:12 PM, Joe wrote:
>
>> "I said I consider myself as failed the class"
>>
>> OK JT.  That much we agree on.  So lets really cut to the chase and
>> stop the
>> smoke screen nonsense.  Artifacts, scooters and dirty little secrets
>> have
>> nothing to do with this thread and you are using them as a distraction
>> from
>> the real issues.
>>
>> Explain to all of us why you keep avoiding the original topics which
>> among
>> other things included a discussion about the methodology employed when
>> drift
>> diving.  If you recall, I wanted to know why you would anchor into a
>> wreck
>> with an inoperable chase boat instead of live boating.
>>
>> I also would like to know why if YOU are doing a "big" dive you make
>> sure
>> the chase boat is in good working order but the norm is for it to be
>> in a
>> state of disrepair.  Is your life more valuable than that of your paying
>> passengers?
>>
>> By virtue your email footer it is clear that you attempt to promote
>> yourself
>> as some form of wreck diving guru.  Yet you cannot pass muster on
>> something
>> simple like buoyancy control and get flustered if they take away your
>> mask.
>> I would bet that if a customer failed as you did you would be real
>> quick to
>> limit his diving.
>>
>> The problems you described on your scooter clearly indicate that you
>> haven't
>> the foggiest clue as to how they work.  I know I am correct because my
>> bird
>> called me last night and told me that you shouldn't be scooter diving.
>> He
>> said that the chimp was pretty smart but that you wouldn't listen to
>> him.
>>
>> After all of this, you still have the gall to get on these lists and
>> boast
>> about 400 ft. scooter dives.  You really should follow your own advice
>> and
>> get off the net and into the water.
>>
>> Also, you use "  Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast &
>> more  Web Site  http://www.capt-jt.com/" in your email footer.  Who in
>> their
>> right mind would let you guide them anywhere?
>>
>> Quit the smoke and mirrors game and answer the questions or shut up and
>> sit
>> in the corner.
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>
>> To: "Joe" <joe@po*.co*>; "George Irvine" <trey@my*.ne*>
>> Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 7:13 PM
>> Subject: Re: Cut to the chaseRE: VBTech vs. Nova Tech
>>
>>
>>> You got me on that, I said I consider myself as failed the class, even
>>> though there is no pass or fail, I said it so it must be true, just
>>> like
>>> everything else I say.........don't you get the picture or are you so
>>> much
>>> of a lair you will be anything to cover your friends.
>>>
>>> I have a picture that Seawolf sent me of one of the portholes being
>>> sent
>> up
>>> and he named the jpg, " Gov. Artifact Theft" . That should say it all
>> right
>>> there...........
>>>
>>>
>>>    At 02:13 PM 8/1/02 -0700, Joe wrote:
>>>> Let me see if I have this right.  You are unable to address any of the
>>>> issues re your incompetence (failed Fundamentals - BTW that is kind of
>> like
>>>> flunking out of kindergarten) so you change the subject and whine
>>>> about
>>>> scooter problems that a chimp could fix.
>>>>
>>>> Now, after you publicly admit that you can't dive (no basic inwater
>> skills)
>>>> and have no clue as to how your scooter works, (as evidenced by this
>> post)
>>>> and yet you boast about taking it on a 400' dive.  You sure set a
>>>> great
>>>> example.
>>>>
>>>> I will help you out on this.  I am sending my talking macaw up there
>>>> to
>> tell
>>>> you how to fix the scooters.  Pay close attention to everything he
>>>> says
>>>> because he is much smarter than the chimp.  After he gets you squared
>> away
>>>> on the scooter, he can coach you on your next big dive.
>>>>
>>>> Regards.
>>>>
>>>> Joe
>>>> PS- The bird really likes peanuts.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>
>>>> To: "George Irvine" <trey@my*.ne*>
>>>> Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; <vbtech@ci*.co*>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 2:23 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: Cut to the chaseRE: VBTech vs. Nova Tech
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> George, make any suggestion you want, it matters not to me. But you
>> can
>>>>> help us up here. We are having some problems with your scooters and
>> the
>>>>> guys are a bit reluctant about asking you how to fix them. 2 of them
>> the
>>>>> clutch is slipping and the trigger keeps coming off of one. Any
>>>> suggestions
>>>>> on the clutch problem, the scooters are unusable at this time.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    At 09:21 PM 7/30/02 -0400, George Irvine wrote:
>>>>>> JT, let's cut to the chase here: everytime I make a suggestion , you
>> want
>>>>>> to fight about it while ignoring the suggestion. If anyone else
>>>>>> makes
>> the
>>>>>> same suggestion, you want to "challenge" them to a dive.  Just ague
>> the
>>>>>> suggestion, not what you think I do or did or what anyone else
>>>>>> does .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Everytime there is a real idiot, like the guy on the Seeker who
>>>>>> wants
>> to
>>>> do
>>>>>> battle with me or my friends, you want to defend them. If you want
>>>>>> to
>>>> keep
>>>>>> doing that, take it off line. You can express your paranoia and your
>>>>>> concern about my "agenda" without wasting everyone else's time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are so upset that people listen to me, and you are especially
>>>> concerned
>>>>>> if they buy some piece of gear that I use. Why don't you take over
>> for me
>>>>>> and show everyone what the good stuff is? ( I can answer why you do
>> not
>>>> and
>>>>>> why nobody listens to you - you don't have any and you don't know).
>> But
>>>> you
>>>>>> can stay all upset about it. Most of the jerks who want to fight
>>>>>> with
>> me
>>>> all
>>>>>> the time have the same beef, only no better answers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You get on here year after year with stories of deaths , accidents
>> and
>>>>>> clusterfucks with your latest "confession" ( like failing
>> Fundamentals),
>>>>>> and then go do the same things over and over and over again while
>>>> expecting
>>>>>> different results. Then you want to assume that everyone else has
>>>>>> the
>>>> same
>>>>>> self-imposed problems, and go into paranoia mode about it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You need to worry about yourself. You are not qualified to worry
>> about
>>>>>> anyone else. By the way, your "tough guy" attitude about diving is
>> Page
>>>> One
>>>>>> definition of a stroke.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 4:43 PM
>>>>>> To: girvine@be*.ne*
>>>>>> Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com; vbtech@ci*.co*
>>>>>> Subject: RE: VBTech vs. Nova Tech
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I see the truth really gets to you, blows your cover of doing
>> everything
>>>>>> right and by the book. I am the biggest thorn in your back because I
>> just
>>>>>> tell the truth, nothing more. I do not have to claim to dive in 28ft
>> seas
>>>>>> (funny how it was reduced to a mere 19ft at the next DIR class and
>> then
>>>>>> increased the deep dive of 475ft to the following) or do 575ft dives
>> to
>>>>>> impress the class, most students are of the new type and just eager
>> to
>>>> fit
>>>>>> in with someone or group and believe anything. I've been around
>> awhile
>>>> and
>>>>>> tend to check out the facts or just laugh at the obvious.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get
>> in
>>>> the
>>>>> water"
>>>>> Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more
>>>>>   Web Site  http://www.capt-jt.com/
>>>>> Email     captjt@mi*.co*
>>>>>
>>>>>
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