Funny thing George, I think that a lot of the guy's like the long trip 
part. You sit around catching up on reading and sleeping after a hard 
weeks work. At least I enjoyed it, having no seasickness problems. I think 
we've had this conversation before, divers and their equipment are really 
hard on a boat, as any skipper will attest. I could just see the look on a 
owners face as a  set of 104's smashes into his gold-plater's brightwork.

When you do "cut to the chase" I guess the only real way to do it is to 
own your own custom, diver-proofed Buddy Davis with compressor, HE and O2 
integrated system, ROV, paid full time diver trained crew and Captain. But 
then if I had *that* kind of money I'd be damed if I'd be tech diving. I'd 
own a newtsuit or sub.

    Jim

On Saturday, August 3, 2002, at 07:59 AM, George Irvine wrote:

> Jim, Brett Gilliam can say the same thing. Does that mean we need to be
> doing what he does?
>
> On the boat thing, running five hours offshore on a 12 knot piece of shit 
> is
> not too cool. Pony up and charter one of those 35 knot Buddy Davis boats 
> and
> do it right. Diving is supposed to be easy and fun, not a tough guy
> competition.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Cobb [mailto:cobber@ci*.co*]
> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 7:22 PM
> To: Joe
> Cc: Capt JT; techdiver@aquanaut.com; VB Tech
> Subject: Re: Cut to the chaseRE: VBTech vs. Nova Tech
>
>
> All right, let's cut the bullshit, Joe. You are lying now. First off I
> said that the chase boat on this particular dive boat is hard to deploy,
> not "in a state of disrepair". Also I said that JT ensures the chase
> boat is running, fueled and ready before even leaving the dock.
>
> I will also add that, unlike your pussy 100' vis 10min boat ride florida
> dives (done in wetsuits with steel tanks, from all the pictures I've
> seen on Barnett's web site), the tech dives up here take hours to get
> to, most of the time through big seas.
>
> Tech dives up here take days of planning and coordination and are not
> considered afternoon larks like you FL divers. The dives are deep, dark
> and cold. You could spend weeks preparing, be geared up, tanked up with
> HE the night before and have the dive called. What do you do then? You
> suck it up and get ready for the next trip.
>
> You Florida knuckleheads would be whining and moaning the whole way.
> Everytime you MF's come up here you spend the whole trip out and back
> barfing over the side rolled up in a green ball.
>
> And, Joe, what exactly are *your* bonafides? JT has an entire website
> with hundreds of pictures and hundreds of witnesses who can state
> exactly what kind of diver he is. You can criticize him all you want but
> you don't do the number of dives JT does and survive out of sheer
> chance. JT has a track record of planning, executing and surviving
> hundreds of dives of all depths in all conditions.
>
> You, on the other hand, nobody has never heard of, has no track record
> of any kind and appears to be a sock puppet for Barnett and company. How
> pitiful. I did some snooping on the internet and cannot find a single
> bit of information on anything to do with you and diving.
>
> (I know, I know, now you are going to pull out the "oh look at Cobb, who
> quit diving running his mouth again". Well at least when I dove I told
> the truth and didn't sit there with some puppetmaster pulling my
> strings. Sure George and I collaborated on a couple of projects on this
> list that needed working on, but I never said anything that did not need
> saying.)
>
> So, Joe, why don't you sit down and shut the fuck up until you can
> prove, as JT has done, that you actually dive, that you dive in
> something other than than gin-clear bathtubs and have planned, setup,
> paid for and run multi-day technical dives? Maybe you do, maybe you
> don't. Nobody knows. Do you fish or do you chop bait? Let's see your
> cards, buddy. Just who the fuck are *you*?
>
>     Jim
>
> On Friday, August 2, 2002, at 06:12 PM, Joe wrote:
>
>> "I said I consider myself as failed the class"
>>
>> OK JT.  That much we agree on.  So lets really cut to the chase and
>> stop the
>> smoke screen nonsense.  Artifacts, scooters and dirty little secrets
>> have
>> nothing to do with this thread and you are using them as a distraction
>> from
>> the real issues.
>>
>> Explain to all of us why you keep avoiding the original topics which
>> among
>> other things included a discussion about the methodology employed when
>> drift
>> diving.  If you recall, I wanted to know why you would anchor into a
>> wreck
>> with an inoperable chase boat instead of live boating.
>>
>> I also would like to know why if YOU are doing a "big" dive you make
>> sure
>> the chase boat is in good working order but the norm is for it to be
>> in a
>> state of disrepair.  Is your life more valuable than that of your paying
>> passengers?
>>
>> By virtue your email footer it is clear that you attempt to promote
>> yourself
>> as some form of wreck diving guru.  Yet you cannot pass muster on
>> something
>> simple like buoyancy control and get flustered if they take away your
>> mask.
>> I would bet that if a customer failed as you did you would be real
>> quick to
>> limit his diving.
>>
>> The problems you described on your scooter clearly indicate that you
>> haven't
>> the foggiest clue as to how they work.  I know I am correct because my
>> bird
>> called me last night and told me that you shouldn't be scooter diving.
>> He
>> said that the chimp was pretty smart but that you wouldn't listen to
>> him.
>>
>> After all of this, you still have the gall to get on these lists and
>> boast
>> about 400 ft. scooter dives.  You really should follow your own advice
>> and
>> get off the net and into the water.
>>
>> Also, you use "  Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast &
>> more  Web Site  http://www.capt-jt.com/" in your email footer.  Who in
>> their
>> right mind would let you guide them anywhere?
>>
>> Quit the smoke and mirrors game and answer the questions or shut up and
>> sit
>> in the corner.
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>
>> To: "Joe" <joe@po*.co*>; "George Irvine" <trey@my*.ne*>
>> Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 7:13 PM
>> Subject: Re: Cut to the chaseRE: VBTech vs. Nova Tech
>>
>>
>>> You got me on that, I said I consider myself as failed the class, even
>>> though there is no pass or fail, I said it so it must be true, just
>>> like
>>> everything else I say.........don't you get the picture or are you so
>>> much
>>> of a lair you will be anything to cover your friends.
>>>
>>> I have a picture that Seawolf sent me of one of the portholes being
>>> sent
>> up
>>> and he named the jpg, " Gov. Artifact Theft" . That should say it all
>> right
>>> there...........
>>>
>>>
>>>    At 02:13 PM 8/1/02 -0700, Joe wrote:
>>>> Let me see if I have this right.  You are unable to address any of the
>>>> issues re your incompetence (failed Fundamentals - BTW that is kind of
>> like
>>>> flunking out of kindergarten) so you change the subject and whine
>>>> about
>>>> scooter problems that a chimp could fix.
>>>>
>>>> Now, after you publicly admit that you can't dive (no basic inwater
>> skills)
>>>> and have no clue as to how your scooter works, (as evidenced by this
>> post)
>>>> and yet you boast about taking it on a 400' dive.  You sure set a
>>>> great
>>>> example.
>>>>
>>>> I will help you out on this.  I am sending my talking macaw up there
>>>> to
>> tell
>>>> you how to fix the scooters.  Pay close attention to everything he
>>>> says
>>>> because he is much smarter than the chimp.  After he gets you squared
>> away
>>>> on the scooter, he can coach you on your next big dive.
>>>>
>>>> Regards.
>>>>
>>>> Joe
>>>> PS- The bird really likes peanuts.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>
>>>> To: "George Irvine" <trey@my*.ne*>
>>>> Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; <vbtech@ci*.co*>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 2:23 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: Cut to the chaseRE: VBTech vs. Nova Tech
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> George, make any suggestion you want, it matters not to me. But you
>> can
>>>>> help us up here. We are having some problems with your scooters and
>> the
>>>>> guys are a bit reluctant about asking you how to fix them. 2 of them
>> the
>>>>> clutch is slipping and the trigger keeps coming off of one. Any
>>>> suggestions
>>>>> on the clutch problem, the scooters are unusable at this time.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    At 09:21 PM 7/30/02 -0400, George Irvine wrote:
>>>>>> JT, let's cut to the chase here: everytime I make a suggestion , you
>> want
>>>>>> to fight about it while ignoring the suggestion. If anyone else
>>>>>> makes
>> the
>>>>>> same suggestion, you want to "challenge" them to a dive.  Just ague
>> the
>>>>>> suggestion, not what you think I do or did or what anyone else
>>>>>> does .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Everytime there is a real idiot, like the guy on the Seeker who
>>>>>> wants
>> to
>>>> do
>>>>>> battle with me or my friends, you want to defend them. If you want
>>>>>> to
>>>> keep
>>>>>> doing that, take it off line. You can express your paranoia and your
>>>>>> concern about my "agenda" without wasting everyone else's time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are so upset that people listen to me, and you are especially
>>>> concerned
>>>>>> if they buy some piece of gear that I use. Why don't you take over
>> for me
>>>>>> and show everyone what the good stuff is? ( I can answer why you do
>> not
>>>> and
>>>>>> why nobody listens to you - you don't have any and you don't know).
>> But
>>>> you
>>>>>> can stay all upset about it. Most of the jerks who want to fight
>>>>>> with
>> me
>>>> all
>>>>>> the time have the same beef, only no better answers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You get on here year after year with stories of deaths , accidents
>> and
>>>>>> clusterfucks with your latest "confession" ( like failing
>> Fundamentals),
>>>>>> and then go do the same things over and over and over again while
>>>> expecting
>>>>>> different results. Then you want to assume that everyone else has
>>>>>> the
>>>> same
>>>>>> self-imposed problems, and go into paranoia mode about it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You need to worry about yourself. You are not qualified to worry
>> about
>>>>>> anyone else. By the way, your "tough guy" attitude about diving is
>> Page
>>>> One
>>>>>> definition of a stroke.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 4:43 PM
>>>>>> To: girvine@be*.ne*
>>>>>> Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com; vbtech@ci*.co*
>>>>>> Subject: RE: VBTech vs. Nova Tech
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I see the truth really gets to you, blows your cover of doing
>> everything
>>>>>> right and by the book. I am the biggest thorn in your back because I
>> just
>>>>>> tell the truth, nothing more. I do not have to claim to dive in 28ft
>> seas
>>>>>> (funny how it was reduced to a mere 19ft at the next DIR class and
>> then
>>>>>> increased the deep dive of 475ft to the following) or do 575ft dives
>> to
>>>>>> impress the class, most students are of the new type and just eager
>> to
>>>> fit
>>>>>> in with someone or group and believe anything. I've been around
>> awhile
>>>> and
>>>>>> tend to check out the facts or just laugh at the obvious.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get
>> in
>>>> the
>>>>> water"
>>>>> Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more
>>>>>   Web Site  http://www.capt-jt.com/
>>>>> Email     captjt@mi*.co*
>>>>>
>>>>>
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