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I did make a fool of myself, but it was when I decided to get in the water
with you and considered you a friend. Egg on my face. I don't get why you
think this is some sort of conspiracy. I have nothing to hide. The gage
would have read 3K still if the isolator was shut. The gage read about
1700#, the isolator was open. No conspiracy dude. No panic either. Just
sick of dealing with people who don't take our safety seriously. I was
uptight, of course. I would be a fool if I said otherwise, but why would a
mate watch a lift bag for 10 min and not want to tell the capt? Why would
you have a zodiac on board the boat and not use it. Why would you take an
hour to untie when somebody's life COULD be at risk. These emails
illustrate the exact reason you are dangerous. Why is this so mysterious.
We had a problem, we addressed it. End of story. I sense a little
resentment. You are just mad that other people, brighter and smarter
people, are playing in your sand box.
Tell me again why you didn't do the Frankfurt dive. I believe you said it
was that you decided others couldn't do the dive so you blamed it on
weather. I found out from the source that you were planning a ridiculously
long bottom time and the captain told you that you were and idiot and he
wouldn't let you do it. Ego? I think so. Even now you can feel the anger
burning. Sound familiar dumbass. This is one of your REE-Verse physiology
lines. It's so funny when you think you have something on somebody. You
better arm yourself if you want to enter a battle of wits with me. I can
recommend a good GED program if you are interested.
Laughing my ass off at your conspiracy theory!
Todd
-----Original Message-----
From: VBTech list [mailto:VBTech@ci*.co*]On Behalf Of Capt JT
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 9:38 PM
To: VBTech list
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: Incident report from this weekend (long but worth reading)
At 08:01 PM 7/24/02 -0400, Todd Clagett wrote:
We have really started doing the pre-dive gear check that GUE teaches in
the fundamentals course and it has already saved some people some minor
discomfort by identifying things prior to getting in the water.
Digging for some back up are we.......
It's a great way to ensure you and your buddy are squared away before
getting in the water. I was leading the drill for me and Allyson and I
didn't hear her say "check" after checking her backup while looking at her
SPG. I turned and said, did you check it? She said yes, but I asked her to
do it again while I was watching. She checked the valve open, and breathed
another 3 breaths off of the back up while looking at the SPG. She swears
that the SPG was steady for all three inhalations.
Most people do say it was on and working.
It was 17 min into the planned 30 min bottom time and we had already
filled both bags with bottles. I signaled to everyone that I wanted to look
around and be a tourist for a bit since we still had so much time left.
Just after I signaled that I wanted to look around, Allyson gave me a light
signal and I got right up in her face and gave her the OK sign. She shook
her head no and went to her back up regulator.
She then took the back up reg out of her mouth and she instantly had
my primary regulator in her mouth. Thank god we had been practicing this
drill non stop, it was natural and easy with everyone remaining pretty calm.
I donated the reg without thinking about it and then it sort of hit me that
this was no drill. I remember looking over at my wife breathing my long
hose and I thought of my daughter. I also realized that most of the other
people who frequent this dive boat would most likely have screwed the whole
thing up. I am referring to the ones who resent GUE and anyone who actually
strives to dive safer and smarter.
Looking for more back up.........
During our little maneuver we had drifted about 15 feet away from where
we were digging and I signaled Dalton Senior. He looked at me with a look
that said "You aren't supposed to be doing that drill this deep". It was
almost a what the hell are you doing look! I signaled him to take care of
our scooters and that we were ascending. I looked at Allyson and looked
carefully at her eyes. She was very calm, so I decided to purge her primary
to see if gas came out (she showed me her pressure gage after I showed her
mine when I donated. She still had 1700psi and it seemed like a lot of time
had elapsed. Some gas came out of the primary when I purged it so I then
purged the backup reg and nothing came out at all. I then reached back and
turned her left post on. I couldn't believe it was off.
No shit......had you already turned the isolator back on.
Obviously a mistake had been made somewhere. Maybe she turned it off
when in the boat by accident I don't know, but I witnessed her checking it
at least once and she swears that she had done it once before too (the check
includes taking 3 long breaths off of the reg). I have a theory about what
happened but I'll let JT stew over that one for a while. Either way, a
mistake was made and it was time to deal with it. The reason we train this
way is so that it's all natural and part of our muscle memory when something
happens whether it be gear or human error.
Later Allyson said the reg became hard to breath and wet ( and her
backup was somehow turned off). I think maybe some of the crap I was
blowing with the scooter got caught in her second stage. We had our heads
in the hole where I was digging and it could have easily happened. It has
happened to me before, but I just shook the reg in the water.
Regs become really really hard to breath when their is no gas in that tank
and the isolator is closed.
So now Allyson's backup reg was working and I think we both preferred
her to be on her own gas for the ascent. There was some current and the
seas were 3 to 4 ft. Nothing major, but we didn't need any more
"situations" at this point. She went back on her backup reg and I changed
my mind about letting the Daltons take our scooters for us. I signaled and
they immediately brought the scooters to us. This is where I lost some
environmental awareness. I was so focused on Allyson that I lost track of
the anchor line (turned out it was right behind me). I signaled to Dalton
that I was turned around and didn't know where the line was now, he looked
at me funny and pointed at it only about 30 feet away (the vis was at least
70 ft). So with me feeling silly we started to swim over to the line to
begin our ascent. Allyson signaled for me to look at my fins and now I had
my wreck reel caught in my fins. What else could happen? I unhooked the
reel from my butt D-ring (flame away) and dropped it into the sand. The
line fell off of my fins and we just left it. We started our
ascent.....finally. 10 minutes had elapsed since she had asked me for gas.
Things happen in a panic don't they.
I looked down to see the Daltons gather their own scooter and then my
wreck reel. Allyson and I concentrated on each other during the ascent and
did our light deco. I noticed throughout the ascent that the Dalton's were
conspicuously absent. I was concerned that they had gotten off of the line.
Now it comes to light about how they drifted away, 2 divers with little
scooter experience and 1 scooter and 2 bags of artifacts that you just can't
live without and they say they are running up to the anchor and drifting
back......... why would 2 guys use one scooter to do this.
Allyson boarded the boat before me, but I quickly followed. I asked the
mate if he saw a lift bag as soon as I got on board and he said there was
one off of the stern. I informed him that it was the Daltons and that he
should get the Zodiac to pick them up. He looked at me like I was an idiot,
so I asked him how long the bag was there. He said about 10 min. I asked
if he had informed the captain. He said no. I started yelling at him and
we exchanged words.
Can we say panic here..........
By this time Allyson was out of her gear and went to the pilot house
to WAKE UP the captain. That's right I said wake up the captain (argue that
one JT). I guess the captain was a little tired from his solo dive to 118
feet and needed a nap. Is it normal practice for the only qualified captain
on board to do a dive 67 miles out in the Ocean with a boat full of divers?
Is it normal practice for him to sleep while divers are doing decompression?
I guess the mate was scared to wake him up.
What goes on with another Capt , I have no control over, I was to be on
the boat also, but ask to go home at 530am as Nancy was flying out that
afternoon for 3 days. The Eureka is 54 miles.
The rest of the boat actually seemed to be making fun of me for yelling
at the mate and his stupidity, but obviously nobody seemed very concerned
with safety. The captain asked me to bounce down and pull the hook and I
said no, I just surfaced. I wouldn't do it alone anyway. The right thing
to do would have been to sacrifice the anchor or tie a ball to it and go get
the team in the water. They were very far away at this point and nobody
knew if they were alright. Nobody else on the boat seemed very concerned, I
think they were just following JT's example of making fun instead of
helping. I ended up pulling in lines and the only person who lended a hand
was Tom Adams. Thanks Tom! The rest of the boat made jokes and snide
comments. Just the kind of people I want around in case I make a mistake
and need help.
The rest of the boat could clearly see you were panicking and making a
fool of yourself.
"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in
the water"
Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more
Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/
Email captjt@mi*.co*
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size=3D2>I did=20
make a fool of myself, but it was when I decided to get in the water =
with you=20
and considered you a friend. Egg on my face. I don't get why =
you=20
think this is some sort of conspiracy. I have nothing to =
hide. The=20
gage would have read 3K still if the isolator was shut. The gage =
read=20
about 1700#, the isolator was open. No conspiracy dude. No =
panic=20
either. Just sick of dealing with people who don't take our safety =
seriously. I was uptight, of course. I would be a fool if I =
said=20
otherwise, but why would a mate watch a lift bag for 10 min and not want =
to tell=20
the capt? Why would you have a zodiac on board the boat and not =
use=20
it. Why would you take an hour to untie when somebody's life COULD =
be at=20
risk. These emails illustrate the exact reason you are =
dangerous. =20
Why is this so mysterious. We had a problem, we addressed =
it. End of=20
story. I sense a little resentment. You are just mad that =
other=20
people, brighter and smarter people, are playing in your sand=20
box.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D220574901-25072002><FONT face=3DArial
color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D220574901-25072002><FONT face=3DArial
color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Tell=20
me again why you didn't do the Frankfurt dive. I believe you said =
it was=20
that you decided others couldn't do the dive so you blamed it on =
weather. =20
I found out from the source that you were planning a ridiculously long =
bottom=20
time and the captain told you that you were and idiot and he wouldn't =
let you do=20
it. Ego? I think so. Even now you can feel the anger=20
burning. Sound familiar dumbass. This is one of your =
REE-Verse=20
physiology lines. It's so funny when you think you have something =
on=20
somebody. You better arm yourself if you want to enter a battle of =
wits=20
with me. I can recommend a good GED program if you are interested. =
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D220574901-25072002><FONT face=3DArial
color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D220574901-25072002><FONT face=3DArial
color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Laughing my ass off at your conspiracy =
theory!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D220574901-25072002><FONT face=3DArial
color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Todd</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> VBTech list=20
[mailto:VBTech@ci*.co*]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Capt =
JT<BR><B>Sent:</B>=20
Wednesday, July 24, 2002 9:38 PM<BR><B>To:</B> VBTech =
list<BR><B>Cc:</B>=20
techdiver@aquanaut.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Incident report from =
this=20
weekend (long but worth reading)<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>At 08:01 PM =
7/24/02=20
-0400, Todd Clagett wrote:<BR><BR><FONT face=3Darial size=3D2>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=3D"" type=3D"cite">We have really started doing the =
pre-dive=20
gear check that GUE teaches in the fundamentals course and it has =
already=20
saved some people some minor discomfort by identifying things prior =
to=20
getting in the water.</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Digging for some back
=
up are=20
we.......<BR><BR><FONT face=3Darial size=3D2>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=3D"" type=3D"cite"> It's a great way to ensure =
you and=20
your buddy are squared away before getting in the water. I was =
leading=20
the drill for me and Allyson and I didn't hear her say "check" after =
checking her backup while looking at her SPG. I turned and =
said, did=20
you check it? She said yes, but I asked her to do it again =
while I was=20
watching. She checked the valve open, and breathed another 3 =
breaths=20
off of the back up while looking at the SPG. She swears that =
the SPG=20
was steady for all three inhalations. </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Most
=
people do=20
say it was on and working.<BR><BR><FONT face=3Darial size=3D2>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=3D"" type=3D"cite"></FONT><BR>It was 17 min into
the =
planned 30=20
min bottom time and we had already filled both bags with =
bottles. I=20
signaled to everyone that I wanted to look around and be a tourist =
for a bit=20
since we still had so much time left. Just after I signaled =
that I=20
wanted to look around, Allyson gave me a light signal and I got =
right up in=20
her face and gave her the OK sign. She shook her head no and =
went to=20
her back up regulator.<BR> She then took the back up reg out =
of her=20
mouth and she instantly had my primary regulator in her mouth. =
Thank=20
god we had been practicing this drill non stop, it was natural and =
easy with=20
everyone remaining pretty calm. I donated the reg without =
thinking=20
about it and then it sort of hit me that this was no drill. I =
remember=20
looking over at my wife breathing my long hose and I thought of my=20
daughter. I also realized that most of the other people who =
frequent=20
this dive boat would most likely have screwed the whole thing =
up. I am=20
referring to the ones who resent GUE and anyone who actually strives =
to dive=20
safer and smarter. </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Looking for more back=20
up.........<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=3D"" type=3D"cite"><BR><FONT face=3Darial =
size=3D2>During our=20
little maneuver we had drifted about 15 feet away from where we were =
digging=20
and I signaled Dalton Senior. He looked at me with a look that =
said=20
"You aren't supposed to be doing that drill this deep". It was =
almost=20
a what the hell are you doing look! I signaled him to take =
care of our=20
scooters and that we were ascending. I looked at Allyson and =
looked=20
carefully at her eyes. She was very calm, so I decided to =
purge her=20
primary to see if gas came out (she showed me her pressure gage =
after I=20
showed her mine when I donated. She still had 1700psi and it =
seemed=20
like a lot of time had elapsed. Some gas came out of the =
primary when=20
I purged it so I then purged the backup reg and nothing came out at=20
all. I then reached back and turned her left post on. I=20
couldn't believe it was off.</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>No =
shit......had you=20
already turned the isolator back on.<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=3D"" type=3D"cite"><BR><FONT face=3Darial =
size=3D2>Obviously a=20
mistake had been made somewhere. Maybe she turned it off when =
in the=20
boat by accident I don't know, but I witnessed her checking it at =
least once=20
and she swears that she had done it once before too (the check =
includes=20
taking 3 long breaths off of the reg). I have a theory about =
what=20
happened but I'll let JT stew over that one for a while. =
Either way, a=20
mistake was made and it was time to deal with it. The reason =
we train=20
this way is so that it's all natural and part of our muscle memory =
when=20
something happens whether it be gear or human error. =20
</FONT><BR> <BR><FONT face=3Darial size=3D2>Later Allyson
said =
the reg=20
became hard to breath and wet ( and her backup was somehow turned=20
off). I think maybe some of the crap I was blowing with the =
scooter=20
got caught in her second stage. We had our heads in the hole =
where I=20
was digging and it could have easily happened. It has happened =
to me=20
before, but I just shook the reg in the water. =20
</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Regs become really really hard to breath
when =
their is=20
no gas in that tank and the isolator is closed.<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=3D"" type=3D"cite"><BR><FONT face=3Darial
size=3D2>So =
now Allyson's=20
backup reg was working and I think we both preferred her to be on =
her own=20
gas for the ascent. There was some current and the seas were 3 =
to 4=20
ft. Nothing major, but we didn't need any more "situations" at =
this=20
point. She went back on her backup reg and I changed my mind =
about=20
letting the Daltons take our scooters for us. I signaled and =
they=20
immediately brought the scooters to us. This is where I lost =
some=20
environmental awareness. I was so focused on Allyson that I =
lost track=20
of the anchor line (turned out it was right behind me). I =
signaled to=20
Dalton that I was turned around and didn't know where the line was =
now, he=20
looked at me funny and pointed at it only about 30 feet away (the =
vis was at=20
least 70 ft). So with me feeling silly we started to swim over =
to the=20
line to begin our ascent. Allyson signaled for me to look at =
my fins=20
and now I had my wreck reel caught in my fins. What else could =
happen? I unhooked the reel from my butt D-ring (flame away) =
and=20
dropped it into the sand. The line fell off of my fins and we =
just=20
left it. We started our ascent.....finally. 10 minutes =
had=20
elapsed since she had asked me for gas. =
</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Things happen=20
in a panic don't they.<BR><BR><FONT face=3Darial size=3D2>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=3D"" type=3D"cite"></FONT><BR> <BR><FONT
=
face=3Darial=20
size=3D2>I looked down to see the Daltons gather their own scooter =
and then my=20
wreck reel. Allyson and I concentrated on each other during =
the ascent=20
and did our light deco. I noticed throughout the ascent that =
the=20
Dalton's were conspicuously absent. I was concerned that they =
had=20
gotten off of the line. </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Now it comes to =
light about=20
how they drifted away, 2 divers with little scooter experience and 1 =
scooter=20
and 2 bags of artifacts that you just can't live without and they say =
they are=20
running up to the anchor and drifting back......... why would 2 guys =
use one=20
scooter to do this.<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=3D"" type=3D"cite"><BR><FONT face=3Darial =
size=3D2>Allyson boarded=20
the boat before me, but I quickly followed. I asked the mate =
if he saw=20
a lift bag as soon as I got on board and he said there was one off =
of the=20
stern. I informed him that it was the Daltons and that he =
should get=20
the Zodiac to pick them up. He looked at me like I was an =
idiot, so I=20
asked him how long the bag was there. He said about 10 =
min. I=20
asked if he had informed the captain. He said no. I =
started=20
yelling at him and we exchanged words.</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Can
we =
say panic=20
here..........<BR><BR><FONT face=3Darial size=3D2>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=3D"" type=3D"cite"> By this time Allyson was =
out of her=20
gear and went to the pilot house to WAKE UP the captain. =
That's right=20
I said wake up the captain (argue that one JT). I guess the =
captain=20
was a little tired from his solo dive to 118 feet and needed a =
nap. Is=20
it normal practice for the only qualified captain on board to do a =
dive 67=20
miles out in the Ocean with a boat full of divers? Is it =
normal=20
practice for him to sleep while divers are doing =
decompression? I=20
guess the mate was scared to wake him =
up.</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>What goes on=20
with another Capt , I have no control over, I was to be on the boat =
also, but=20
ask to go home at 530am as Nancy was flying out that afternoon for 3 =
days. The=20
Eureka is 54 miles.<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=3D"" type=3D"cite"><BR><FONT face=3Darial =
size=3D2>The rest of the=20
boat actually seemed to be making fun of me for yelling at the mate =
and his=20
stupidity, but obviously nobody seemed very concerned with =
safety. The=20
captain asked me to bounce down and pull the hook and I said no, I =
just=20
surfaced. I wouldn't do it alone anyway. The right thing =
to do=20
would have been to sacrifice the anchor or tie a ball to it and go =
get the=20
team in the water. They were very far away at this point and =
nobody=20
knew if they were alright. Nobody else on the boat seemed very =
concerned, I think they were just following JT's example of making =
fun=20
instead of helping. I ended up pulling in lines and the only =
person=20
who lended a hand was Tom Adams. Thanks Tom! The rest of =
the=20
boat made jokes and snide comments. Just the kind of people I =
want=20
around in case I make a mistake and need =
help.</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>The rest=20
of the boat could clearly see you were panicking and making a fool of=20
yourself. <BR><BR><BR>"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or
=
later you=20
have to get in the water"<BR><FONT color=3D#0000ff><U>Your Guide to =
Great Wreck=20
Diving along the East Coast & more <BR> Web Site <A=20
href=3D"http://www.capt-jt.com/" =
eudora=3D"autourl">http://www.capt-jt.com</A><A=20
href=3D"http://www.capt-jt.com/"=20
eudora=3D"autourl">/<BR></A>Email =20
captjt@mi*.co*<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></U></BODY></HTML
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