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DAN And UHMS Guys,
OK, but how about this?
We'll throw one and invite you to speak? Will you (some) at least join
us? There's some interesting stuff here.
BW
>Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:18:11 -0600
>To: "Richard Moon" <moon0002@mc*.du*.ed*>
>From: "Bruce R. Wienke" <brw@la*.go*>
>Subject: Re[2]: How About A Dan-Tech Deep Stops Workshop/Mtg
>Cc: deco@de*.or*, techdiver@aquanaut.com
>Bcc:
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> Richard,
>
>
> RUBBISH -- neither were Reverse Profiles, Repetitive Diving, Nitrox.
> etc. new What are new are models, depths, profiles, gas switches, mixes,
> ALL coupled to deep stops. And all the above were Wkshp items over recent
> past -- though not "new". Come on, give me a break. Just say NO -- no
spin
>
>
> Few understand the kinds of profiles being dived with deep stops
> over the past 10 - 15 yrs. And I haven't seen a single UHMS Wkshp
> EVER address such. There have also been some chamber and open water tests
> with interesting data.
>
> And subsumming deep stops (modern innovation) is a revolution in deco
> stategies -- AND THAT IS NEW -- whether the "establishment" likes
> it or not. So how about (I know I am just wasting my time):
>
> FOCUS: Deep Stops And Modern Deco Strategies --
>
> QUESTION: Are Modern Deco Strategies Working Safely, And why or why not?
>
> Regards,
>
> BW
>
> PS -- Am probably wasting time here, but when I get back I will check
> your reply (about 10 days)
>
>
>
>>Bruce:
>>
>>Deep stops are not new. In order to justify a symposium its specific goals
>>need to be articulated, containing in particular a series of specific
>>questions that need to be addressed.
>>
>>Richard
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>"Bruce R. Wienke" <brw@la*.go*> on 07/24/2002 05:43:02 PM
>>
>>To: "Richard Moon" <moon0002@mc*.du*.ed*>
>>cc:
>>
>>Subject: Re: How About A Dan-Tech Deep Stops Workshop/Mtg
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> No Richard -- I am talking abour deep and extended diving. Not
>> recreational diving -- a very small sample. The focus would be
>> a major revolution in deco technology -- deep stops (and they DO NOT
>> come from Haldane). Experimnets, diving experience, theory are
>> pushing this new technology -- and it's time for all to look at this.
>>
>> Focus -- Deep Stops
>>
>> Questions -- Are they a viable new diving technology. If so, why?
>> If not, why?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> BW
>>
>>
>>>Bruce:
>>>
>>>By such a workshop I assume you mean one that addresses deep bounce
>>diving.
>>>What would the focus be, and what specific questions need to be addressed?
>>>
>>>Richard
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Bruce R. Wienke" <brw@la*.go*> on 07/24/2002 05:13:57 PM
>>>
>>>To: toverland@oi*.oc*.co*, tneuman@uc*.ed*, ryn@dc*.dn*.ca*,
>>> "Paul J. Sheffield Ph. D. (E-mail)"
>><sheffp@hy*.co*>,
>>> "Bennett, Peter" <pbennett@da*.du*.ed*>, "Orr, Dan"
>>> <dorr@da*.du*.ed*>, v.flook@ab*.ac*.uk*, beyerstein@ao*.co*,
>>> rvann@da*.du*.ed*, jlivingstone@na*.or*, <jbram@na*.or*>,
>>> p.oliver@na*.or*, ;;;;andihq@ao*.co*;;;,
>>> ;;;;oxygenengr@ao*.co*;;;, ;;;;PSAuerbach@ao*.co*;;;,
>>> ;;;;rwhamilton@co*.co*;;;, ;;;;evincotter@cs*.co*;;;,
>>> ;;;;cborne@ea*.ne*;;;, ;;;;walt.jaap@fw*.st*.fl*.us*;;;,
>>> ;;;;bturbo@ga*.ne*;;;, ;;;;dick@hy*.co*;;;,
>>> ;;;;mwells@in*.ne*;;;, ;;;;pdenoble@da*.du*.ed*;;;,
>>> ;;;;alexakos@gu*.co*;;;, ;;;;trey@ne*.co*;;;,
>>> iantdhq@ix*.ne*.co*, moon0002@mc*.du*.ed*, emmerman@nb*.co*,
>>> dave.dinsmore@no*.go*, boliver@sc*.co*, brianc@td*.co*,
>>> gegstrom@uc*.ed*, kvanhoesen@uc*.ed*, brylske@ao*.co*
>>>cc: deco@de*.or*, techdiver@aquanaut.com
>>>
>>>Subject: How About A Dan-Tech Deep Stops Workshop/Mtg
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Peter And Richard,
>>>
>>> How about a DAN-Tech Mtg on deep stops -- A to Z? Everybody
>>> pays their OWN way. This might also be a dynamite way to get more
>>> tech diving profiles into your Project Diving Exploration data banks
>>>
>>> to broaden the recreational sample. All would benefit -- probably DAN
>>>the
>>> most, with all due respect.
>>>
>>> I can do (volunteer) the tech side and interface, and all the other
>>> coordination with DAN. And I am sure many others would step up too.
>>>
>>> And yes, we already have a tech side agenda.
>>>
>>> What do you say?
>>>
>>> Bruce Wienke
>>>
>>> Program Manager Computational Physics
>>> Counterterror And Countermeasures Dive Team Ldr
>>>
>>> PS -- UHMS Guys, maybe this is BETTER UHMS item?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> EARLIER MESSAGE TO PETER BENNETT WITH LIST EMAILS APPENDED
>>>
>>> Gentlemen,
>>>
>>> We don't agree with you, Peter Read below.
>>>
>>> Best regards as always,
>>>
>>> BW
>>>
>>> DEEP STOPS -- THE REAL STORY IN ADM
>>>
>>> Lists and Others,
>>>
>>> Check out the "Deep Stops" article in the next issue of Advanced
>>> Diver
>>> Magazine (ADM) for the real skinny on deeps stops and related deco
>>> technology.
>>>
>>> It was the tech diving community who pioneered, tested, and
>>> validated
>>> deep stops and related dual phase deco models (like RGBM, VPM, TBDM).
>>> Their 1000s of real dives on mixed gases at real depths are the
>>> living laboratory here. Not Haldane, nor Hill. And certainly not
>>DAN.
>>> And our testing program was not recreational diving for goats in
>>> shallow water -- it was our collective asses, deep and long
>>>
>>> With fondest respect for DAN, I wish DAN would spend more time
>>> interacting with the tech community. All would benefit. The DAN
>>> Project Dive Exploration is a great data acquisition project that
>>> needs input from the real diving world.
>>>
>>> Same pretty much said for slow ascent rates.
>>>
>>> Bruce Wienke
>>>
>>> Program Manager Computational Physics
>>> Counterterror And Countermeasures Dive Team Leader
>
>
>
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