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OK. Honestly I've been trying to follow this thread but this is the first time where I think it was clear that your real beef is with the other agencies. If it is and they are perpetuating untrue rumors about GUE not having insurance or not having proper training standards then I think you (GUE) are correct in going after them. It just seemed, at least to me, that it was a GUE vs. Seeker thing.. Thanks for clearing it up. Art. -----Original Message----- From: George Irvine [mailto:girvine@be*.ne*] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 6:24 AM To: Art.Paltz@R2*.CO*; techdiver@aquanaut.com Subject: RE: FW: Survey of NE DiveBoats re: GUE acceptance. Art, the GUE thing has nothing to do with location or the NE. It has everything to do with TDI. It also has everything to do with the insurance agent who handles TDI and IANTD wanting me to shut up about what they are doing wrong and wanting GUE to go along with the nonsense the rest of them are perpetuating, neither of which is ever going to happen. They all hope their little releases will hold up when they do stupid things, but they clearly can not stand the light of reasoning from those of us who can point out what is so obviously being done wrong. Your boy Danny is just a side show - and nobody needs to "pound" this guy, he has been doing that to himself for years. Come on now - the genesis of Gilliam's problem with me was him calling me up and telling me to be quiet about the deep air thing since that might make them lose their insurance. It did not do that, but it did make them lose a bunch of lawsuits, and it did force changes in their standards. Art, there is right and wrong, and it is very clear what is right and wrong. Nobody ever stood up to these morons before me, and all the little idiots who want to defend these guys will be made to look just as stupid as they look as time goes on. There is no way around it, and there is nothing anyone anywhere can do about me and what is right or wrong, other than try to have me killed, and they better get a real pro if they want to do that. Even that would do no good now since there are so many out there who do know the difference between right and wrong, and are now so willing to step up and be counted. The dive industry, or more correctly the "training" industry, has some real assholes in it and we all know who they are, and more people every day are seeing that I have been right all along. -----Original Message----- From: Art.Paltz@R2*.CO* [mailto:Art.Paltz@R2*.CO*] Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 9:47 PM To: techdiver@aquanaut.com Subject: RE: FW: Survey of NE DiveBoats re: GUE acceptance. OK, now that we are done trying to see who's got the biggest dick..... Has anyone tried checking the acceptance of GUE in other locations in the US (Washington, Great lakes, etc.). What about other areas of the world. Not the GUE strong holds where they have trained people. What about Canada? What about the Red Sea? What about Bermuda? What about the Mediterranean? What about Truck Lagoon? Having the NE boats not accept them isn't necessarily all the surprising given the bashing they have taken over the years. Wondering about the more neutral locations? Has anyone checked these locations or was it much more convenient to take the opportunity to start a GUE vs. NE war? Yes I'm in the NE. Would I accept GUE certification, yes. Art. -----Original Message----- From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*] Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 6:18 PM To: girvine@be*.ne*; christi5@ix*.ne*.co* Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com; captjt@mi*.ne*; Quest@Gu*. Com Subject: RE: FW: Survey of NE DiveBoats re: GUE acceptance. I don't care what AUE does or you .........you have my permission to post any private emails from anyone I know, concerning anything..........most of the divers that complain that dive with me don't like my rules or decisions, which are based on their skill and experience, so I can see where some would say things in private as long as it is not themselves they are talking about. I often expose myself to help and let the others alone to a point, they tend to be too thin skinned to tell the truth about themselves. But I watch everyone and I know what their weaknesses and strengthens are, so not to them get into to much trouble. Post the emails, this should be fun......... At 04:52 PM 7/23/02 -0400, George Irvine wrote: >It really pisses me off that you are incapable of learning anything and >still run a CF from start to finish, despite all those who have tried to >help you, and then claim to be some hot shot. Unlike you , most other groups >like AUE have made the changes that make the difference - you continue to do >things that are ridiculous, and you continue to defend the indefensible. >Your hard head and petty little resentments keep getting in the way. > >I will be glad to do as you do and put private emails out, from your own >people, describing what is really going on up there, but so far you are >doing a good job of that yourself. > >You need to get concerned with what is wrong with your operation, not what >Mike Barnette does, or Billy Deans, or anyone else does or does not do or >did or did not do. We are talking here and now, and right here, right now, >you are still not getting it, and that is your source of problems. You want >me to send Andrew back up there again or what? > >-----Original Message----- >From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*] >Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 2:59 PM >To: girvine@be*.ne*; christi5@ix*.ne*.co* >Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com; captjt@mi*.ne*; Quest@Gu*. Com >Subject: RE: FW: Survey of NE DiveBoats re: GUE acceptance. > > >George, it must really piss you off when I expose your embellished >propaganda on how it should be done and who has or in this case does not >have a perfect safety record. Best thing you can do is stop using Billy >Deans name to promote some perfect way of doing things. He's out of diving, >leave him alone......... > "You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in the water" Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/ Email captjt@mi*.co* -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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