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Bruce, you apparently don't know who you are dealing with here. Call me, I
will save you from wasting any of your time.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce R. Wienke [mailto:brw@la*.go*]
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 6:34 PM
To: Claudia Milz
Cc: Nauitec@ao*.co*; deco@de*.or*; techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: Bubble Study and NACD
Claudia,
Oh yes, we are interested in (more) data. And I would like to suggest
some neat media too -- close to lipid and aqueous proteins in fibre
as possible - -something with EOSs close to biomaterials -- NOT gels,
syrup,
blood, shrimp dung, Gator Aid, colloidal junkj,etc. Yount did a gel
thing 25
yrs ago -- but it doesn't come close to biomass. The materials props of
bubs
are very fundamental under PV/T, plus fracture, especially at the 0.01
micron level (mucho eyestrain even for a e-microscope). But study
of biolike behavior at any size is cool too.
Let me connect with you on bubs study a bit later -- and info too, and
I will update you what we have done here at LANL Plus how it all feeds
into
RGBM for diving -- shipping separate pdf file in separate email so as
not to further spam Lists.
On the NACD questionnaire, be sure to include Tim O'Leary
(Director, NAUI Tech Ops) at Nauitec@ao*.co*, and Tim and I know many
other worthy individuals.
Ciao.
Bruce Wienke
Program Manager Computational Physics
Counterterror and Countermeasures Dive Team Ldr
>Bruce,
>
>I have a couple of things I would like to run by you:
>
>(1) In our (materials science and engineering) group at UF we are
>considering studying bubbles and nuclei for various applications. We can
>obtain a tester good for transparent liquids and room temperature, but
>we are more inclined to research opaque liquids, even at high
>temperatures if possible. Ultimately, we will rebuild this tester for
>our purposes.
>You know a whole lot about the physics involved (nuclei, kinetics,
>bubble growth and decay etc). I am wondering though if anything has been
>done experimentally, other than in vivo (rats, goats and scarce divers)
>and then more or less indirectly like Schrödinger's cat. Also, would you
>be interested in data if it becomes available?
>
>My boss would be supportive even if this all went to a more diving
>related subject. In short, he's pretty good about open minded
>approaches.
>
>(2) On the last NACD board meeting, I became the new committee chair for
>equipment technology. Lamar Hires was the person to do this before and
>he is swamped with his business, which also made it difficult for
>credibility, since manufacturers have this smell of being biased. The
>board is interested in gear that is used for cave diving and especially
>its safety. We regard it as a service to the members, and for people
>involved in the manufacturing process it would be a great opportunity to
>see their equipment tested by neutral divers.
>I am essentially coordinating efforts and gear plus info from
>manufacturers, dive everything myself and have a handful of others to
>dive it and send me their reports.
>Long story short, if you would like to inform a broader audience of
>something you believe in, I would be happy to be a fair messenger. That
>being the case, I will send you a questionnaire to make things simpler
>for all people involved. That is not the format the report will be in,
>don't worry.
>
>Thanks, and have a good day,
>
>Claudia
>
>
>
>
>Dr. Claudia Milz
>386-454-5169 home
>352-342-0111 cell
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: majordomo-owner@de*.or*
>[mailto:majordomo-owner@de*.or*] On Behalf Of Bruce R. Wienke
>Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 12:11 PM
>To: deco@de*.or*; techdiver@aquanaut.com
>Subject: Re: RGBM question - temperature gradient
>
>
>
> Gene,
>
> YES -- at phase excitation and thru the dive, temperature is tracked
>by an
> EOS relating pressure, volume, and temp. Check the rbgmupdate.pdf
> file and see this in RGBM stuff. The file rgbmupdate.pdf was posted a
>few days
> ago to deco@de*.or* and techdiver@aquanaut.com As temp
>increases so
> does phase volume, and vice-versa. Thus, cold-to-warm switches might
>be
> problem for growth, Warm-to-cold switches are also prob from fracture
> dynamics on bub skins.
>
> BW
>
> PS -- It's Mr.
>
>
>>Dear Mrs. Wienke
>>
>>I apologise for addressing you directly but I have not been able to
>>find the answer to the following question:
>>
>>There is quite significant temperature difference between bottom water
>>layer and surface layer. Will it affect the growth rate of nucleis? If
>>yes, is this effect taken in account in your model?
>>
>>Thanks in advance for your answer,
>>Yours sincerely,
>>
>>Gene Soudlenkov
>
>
>
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