Bruce , thanks for putting this out about the seed bullshit - I get the know-it-alls telling me I don't know how to decompress, but then I don't even have gel in my hair. I think everyone wants to hear a deco method that will work for gel, or more appropriately Jello, for obvious reasons. You should see some of the "advice" being dispensed behind the scenes where they don't have anyone on hand who knows anything - un-fucking believable. How's our "boy" doing with his "model"? Has his professor written lately? I am still laughing about that one. We are down for a few more weeks if you want to run any ridiculous chamber dives. -----Original Message----- From: Bruce R. Wienke [mailto:brw@la*.go*] Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 6:19 PM To: Ernest S Campbell, MD Cc: Nauitec@ao*.co*; techdiver@aquanaut.com; deco@de*.or* Subject: RGBM vs VPM Deco Models Earnest, Just read your Newsletter Mailbox answer to question about RGBM vs VPM. There is quite a bit more all should know (major differences) -- actually the RGBM abandons the gel physics of the VPM as NOT applicable in toto to blood and tissue. Consider comments: 1) RGBM does NOT use (VPM) gel bubbles as model for tissue and blood bubbles; 2) RGBM deduces bubble persistence time scales (how long they hang around) FROM seed skin structures (lipid or aqueous), not a-priori weeks as ASSUMED in the VPM; 3) RGBM bubbles are permeable to gas transfer DEPENDING on their skin structure always, NOT at some cutoff pressure as in the VPM gel studies; 4) biophysical equations-of-state (EOS) for lipid and aqueous substances relate seed pressure, temperature, diffusivities to gas transfer, and skin structure in the RGBM, and, as such, are OUTSIDE the VPM; 5) the RGBM transfers gas across the bubble interfaces, the VPM does NOT; 6) See new book "Technical Diving In Depth" by Wienke (Best) for more on same subject. Thanks. With all due respects to my friend and decreased colleague, David Yount, I must go on record as NOT accepting that VPM gel dynamics apply routinely to the body, nor the properties he studied. Such VPM type bubble seeds have NEVER been found in the body -- nor outside of "gel-like" media. RGBM (EOS) bubbles do recover VPM bubbles in limiting circumstance of material strength and pressure, but that is not important to the RGBM. Naturally occuring bubble "seeds" in the atmosphere and oceans are NOT akin to VPM gel bubbles -- NOR should they be. The body, oceans, and atmosphere are NOT gel. BW -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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