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No argument there. Any reasonable human being should have stopped him, because it's the right thing to do. I am just a little concerned about trying to legislate "the right thing to do". John Mason wrote: ~ >Paul, >I am 100% for personal responsibility, and Chris paid the ultimate price. >But from the descriptions, I just get the idea Chris was a credit card and >as long as he is paying and signing waivers it is all up to him. I think >that if someone is as screwed up as Chris sounds in the accounts his >instructor and the Captain of the boat should have stopped him not because >they have to but because it is the right thing to do. > >John > >-----Original Message----- >From: Paul Braunbehrens [mailto:Bakalite@ba*.co*] >Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 1:19 PM >To: vbtech@ci*.co*; FLTechDiver@mikey.net; EANX@ao*.co* >Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com >Subject: Re: Diver Responsibility > > >John, I don't think you are being naive. The people who took this >guy diving deserve everything they get, but it is important that dive >operators have some protection from lawsuits, and that is usually >where the waiver comes in. If you buy a beer because you saw in the >commercials that all the guys who drink beer get the girls, but then >instead of getting girls you become a drunk, do you think you should >be able to sue the beer company? At some point people need to take >responsibility for themselves, because if the law tries to do it we >are all going to get screwed. > > >John Mason Jr"." wrote: >~ >>JT, >>I agree Christopher Murley made the decision to dive signed the waivers and >>went diving, all his choice. I agree that you should be prepared for dying. >>You are also correct about families wanting to blame someone. Personally I >>think you signed, your responsibility, end of story. But in this case it >>seems that people had the attitude of he signed the waiver cash the check, >>instead of you don't belong here waiver or not. This may be a little naive, >>it is just my opinion. >> >>John >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*> >>To: <vbtech@ci*.co*>; <FLTechDiver@mikey.net>; >><vbtech@ci*.co*>; <EANX@ao*.co*> >>Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com> >>Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 5:59 PM >>Subject: Re: Diver Responsibility >> >> >>> John, have you ever seen a Doria wavier from the Seeker? The one I have >>> states " I have been given the opportunity to review this document with >>> both my family and legal counsel." that is initialed and notarized long >>> before you ever get on the boat. >>> >>> We as humans will die as part of living, one must face the fact that he >or >>> she will someday die. Nothing will change this, that is reality. That is >>> why we make wills and prepare of families for this event. Those who do >>not >>> accept this fact will surely leave their family in debt and screwed. >>> >>> Often families want to blame someone else for this poor planning and to >>> relieve the burden and guilt they feel for not being more involved in >the >>> deceased persons life. Clearly, Lawyers have different reasons for >>> pursuing these cases and justice has nothing to do with it. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Mason Jr"." wrote: >>> >Curt, >>> >I agree that personal responsibility is the key. However in this case I >>> >think some folks should have dissuaded this gentleman from doing this >>kind >>> >of diving instead of enabling it. It has a bit of moral/ethical >>messiness >>> >to accept money from someone who by all accounts should not be there >just >>> >because he signed a waiver. >>> > >>> >John Mason >>> >----- Original Message ----- >>> >From: <EANX@ao*.co*> >>> >To: <dell@di*.co*>; <trimix@ho*.co*>; ><aocfishman@ho*.co*>; >>> ><FLTechDiver@mikey.net>; <vbtech@ci*.co*> >>> >Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com> >>> >Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 2:14 PM >>> >Subject: Diver Responsibility >>> > >>> > >>> > > Again, another case of family members trying to make an excuse for a > >love >>> >one >>> > > lost. >>> > > >>> > > If you sign a waiver saying you accepts the risk involved then it >>should >>> >be >>> > > written in stone. All we need is one case being lost because of some >>> >crafty >>> > > (crooked) lawyer and all our diving could go to pot. >>> > > >>> > > Divers and their families need to start taking responsibility for >what >>> >ever >>> > > they get themselves involved with. If not, then maybe they should >>stay >>> >home >>> > > in bed, but then again they might sue the mattress company for bed >>sores. >>> > > >>> > > This includes all divers, no matter their physical fitness. >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Curt Bowen >>> > > >>> > > Publisher Advanced Diver Magazine >>> > > 941-751-2360 Office >>> > > www.advanceddivermagazine.com >>> > > AdvDvrMag@ao*.co* >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Mailing address >>> > > Advanced Diver Magazine >>> > > 3115 48th Ave. Dr. East >>> > > Bradenton, FL 34203 USA >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Rule of Exploration >>> > > "Publish or Perish" >> > > > ============================================================ >>> > > To contact the list administrator, email >>> > > Mike Rodriguez at mikey@mi*.ne* >>> > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a message to: >>> > > listserv@mi*.ne* >>> > > and in the *BODY* of the message type: >>> > > unsubscribe FLTechDiver >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ><< Send subscribe/unsubscribe/help requests to >>VBTech-request@ci*.= >>> >com >> >>> >>> "You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in >>the >>> water" >>> >>> Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more >>> Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/ >>> Email captjt@mi*.co* >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> << Send subscribe/unsubscribe/help requests to >>VBTech-request@ci*.= >>> com >> >>> >> >> >> >><< Send subscribe/unsubscribe/help requests to VBTech-request@ci*.= >>com >> > > >-- >Paul B. > > ><< Send subscribe/unsubscribe/help requests to VBTech-request@ci*.= >com >> > > ><< Send subscribe/unsubscribe/help requests to VBTech-request@ci*.= >com >> -- Paul B. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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