Exactly. If you read all of what this idiot wrote, you can see how totally
full of shit he really is. He does make an extreme effort to make idiocy
sound reasonable, but via his normal method: bullshit, lies, fabrications,
and twisted "facts". This guy is rapidly gaining on the "Village Idiot"
title now held by a few others who occasionally come out from under the rec
scuba rock and take a swing at reality on here.

-----Original Message-----
From: terry michael [mailto:OEA51@go*.co*]
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 12:13 AM
To: Lee Bell; trey@ne*.co*; LouisianaLegal@ao*.co*;
techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: Re: neutral AL 80


Lee, I could care less about the DIR politics. The C80's are too heavy and
the buoyancy change is from negative to negative. The Luxfers are not bottom
heavy (unless you are diving them without the valve). Why would I dive an
aluminum tank that dives like a steal?


-----Original Message-----
From: "Lee Bell"<leebell@ix*.ne*.co*>
To: trey@ne*.co*, LouisianaLegal@ao*.co*, techdiver@aquanaut.com
Date: Sun Jan 06 06:10:23 PST 2002
Subject: Re: neutral AL 80's

>George Irvine wrote:
>
>> Idiocy again. You really have no clue what you are talking about, and
that
>> is because you have no real experience with anything but bullshit diving.
>> The fact is that if you are using neutral tanks, they require more gas in
>> the wings when full, thus slowing you down. I really wish you would take
a
>> seat and shut the fuck up. I am so sick of your huge efforts to make
>totally
>> ridiculous things appear to be "clever". Like everything else you say,
>this
>> is pure crap. I guess this is one of the areas you think that DIR is
wrong
>> about? Clearly, you have no clue what DIR is.
>
>Wrong, George.  It's not me that lacks a clue.  My neutral buoyant aluminum
>tanks do not require more gas in the wings when full.  With my plate and
>neutral tanks, I'm flat neutral with no lead at all, just like I said.  The
>change in my buoyancy due to gas use is will within my ability to adjust
for
>by changes in breathing patterns alone.  In my warm water diving, I wear no
>lead and, generally, carry no gas in my wing at all.  As a result, I get no
>buoyancy shift with depth changes either.  Surprise, surprise, surprise.
>
>I don't think the letters DIR appeared in the question and I'm pretty sure
>they didn't appear in my answer.  Since you brought it up, the answer to
>your question is no, I don't think this is on e of the areas that DIR is
>wrong about.  If you had bothered to read, you might have known that
>already.  Try again.
>
>> I like three things about my Compact 80s:
>> 1. They are just a bit shorter than a standard 80.  At my height (5'8")
>the
>> slight difference in height means I can carry them with straight arms
>versus
>> the bent arm required for standard 80s.  The Luxfers are not shorter.
>
>See any DIR issues here?  See anything wrong about this statement?
>
>> 2. The neutral buoyancy when empty means I take 4 lbs off my weight belt
>> without adding anything anywhere else.  This is the primary reason most
>> people like the tanks and particularly important to me.  That 4 lbs just
>> happens to make me perfectly weighted with my stainless plate.  I don't
>have
>> to wear any lead, anywhere when diving warm water, which is what I do
>almost
>> exclusively.
>
>Did you fail to read this, George?  Would you care to explain why someone
>who is neutrally buoyant needs any gas in their wing, let alone more?  See
>any DIR issues here?
>
>> 3. The trim on the Catalinas is good.  They're nicely balanced from top
to
>> bottom.  I believe the Luxfers are a bit bottom heavy, but don't take my
>> word for it.
>
>Is there something wrong with this statement?  Any DIR issues?
>
>> I'm not sure these tanks are the best choice for everyone.  If you dive
>wet,
>> I don't think they are any better than some steel tanks.  Presumably,
your
>> tanks will never be comletely empty and, therefore, will always be at
>least
>> partly negative.  When you twin them up and,. even worse, add stages,
>you're
>> accepting a lot of non ditchable negative buoyancy.  If you are
>scootering,
>> they're not going to tow as nicely as the less negative standartd 80s do.
>> For most, I don't think it's a real good idea.
>
>Here's the first statement I made that DIR addresses.  I believe DIR says
no
>steel tanks when diving wet, or did I get that wrong too?  If steel tanks
>are not a good idea, I assume equally neutral aluminum ones would be a poor
>idea too, just like I said, right?  Do or DIR find something wrong with
this
>statement?  Doesn't accepting additional negative buoyancy equate to adding
>gas to a wing.  Didn't we reach the same conclusion, on the same basis,
>simply expressed differently?
>
>> While I recommend people diving single tanks at least try out the neutral
>> buoyant models, I think buoyant tanks would be a better choice for mutli
>> tank diving, particularly for open water stages.
>
>Do you agree or disagree?  Is this consistent with DIR?
>
>> They represent less negative buoyancy and, in a pinch, could actually be
a
>source of
>> positive buoyancy.  While it's not a primary issue, it's also nice to
know
>that if I
>> ever had to ditch one, I don't necessarily have to lose it.  Open the
>valve
>> and drop the tank and, sooner or later, it will return to the surface on
>its
>> own.  If you do this, however, please recover your tank from the surface.
>> I'm not at all fond of the idea of hitting a floating tank with my boat.
>
>If I'm not mistaken, even my humor is on target, right?
>
>Lee
>
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