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From: "Patrick Norris" <pbnorris@ad*.ne*>
To: "Steve Schultz" <se2schul@st*.ma*.uw*.ca*>
Cc: "christopher cox" <christophercox@ch*.ne*>, <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Subject: Re: Air Travel With Dive Gear
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 16:11:00 -0500
SLA batteries may be DOT legal for surface transportation but the individual
Airline has a right to define their own HAZMAT rules.

The FAA recently fined an Airline $1 million for HAZMAT violations. If they
say nothing hazardous (despite DOT regulations) is allowed and a passenger
or shipper intentionally conceals the material or lies about its character,
then that person is liable for any damages that may occur due to that
concealment and the Airline doesn't get violated.

Notice I put the words (that we know about) to make the point that there are
different types of batteries and you and I both know that they will not
spill because of our experience. The $7.50/hr security screener or $10.50/hr
gate agent may not differentiate and are often predisposed to saying no. You
won't win that argument if they get it in their mind to put their foot down
because that battery wasn't associated with a wheelchair. We even used to
refuse wheelchair batteries unless they were specifically prepared but got
sued under the Americans with Disabilities Act and had to acquiesce.

Check with the specific Airline website to see if they are different. If it
absolutely has to get there consider shipping it to your destination
via FedEx or UPS.

Patrick

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Schultz" <se2schul@st*.ma*.uw*.ca*>
To: "Patrick Norris" <pbnorris@ad*.ne*>
Cc: "christopher cox" <christophercox@ch*.ne*>; <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: Air Travel With Dive Gear


>
> I recently flew to Calgary.  I had no problems, butI left my cannister at
home.  I've brought it as carry on in the past without problems.  In Steve
Lindblom's Dive Light book, they reccommend making up stickers that say the
SLA batteries are legal for travel, and quote the appropriate legislation.
I don't have the book with me now, so I can't reproduce the label for the
list.  Maybe someone else can...
>
> ss
>
> On Wed, 2 Jan 2002, Patrick Norris wrote:
>
> > Hi Christopher,
> >
> > The only actual change that seems to have occurred to the screening
process is thoroughness. The list of restricted articles hasn't changed.
Just be prepared to have someone possibly hand search your bag if they see a
suspicious outline scanned.
> >
> > Allow PLENTY of time for the screening process and be patient.
> >
> > The battery of your canister light might pose a problem as a carry on.
The regulations at my Airline (American) do not allow any batteries (that we
know about) on the airplane unless they are clearly marked by the
manufacturer as spillproof. The only reason we allow batteries anywhere in
the plane (including as cargo) is because of their use in wheelchairs. A
spill would be catastrophic and so many people have intentionally mismarked
hazardous materials to save on shipping that have later caused a problem
that we make the liability on the shipper so immense that they usually let
FedEx handle the nasty stuff.
> >
> > Have a good vacation.
> >
> >
> >
> > Patrick
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: christopher cox
> >   To: techdiver@aquanaut.com
> >   Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 7:48 PM
> >   Subject: Air Travel With Dive Gear
> >
> >
> >   I was wondering if anyone on the list has traveled as of late with
thier dive gear. My wife and I are headed off on vacation and I am concerned
about the new security precautions. I will be bringing things like my
cannister light, ss plate with weighted adaptor and the host of other gear
that we are all familiar with. I am assuming that there is no way this stuff
can be brought on as carry on luggage as I have in the past. Has anyone
experienced trouble getting this stuff through in thier checked luggage?
Please reply on or off list. Thank you!
> >
>
>



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