Joe,
 your logical appeal to diving safety is alright, as far it appeals to
logic.
However, while rules and procedures may provide sufficient support for
the logic thesis " you do not die if you follow xy procedures", the
biological procedures involved may disturb the otherwise clean picture.
My concern is, that the slow decay of physiological capabilities of man
leaves enough room for erratic , fatal outcomes of otherwise regarded as
safe diving protocols.

Matthias

Joe W schrieb:
> 
> > That's reasonable.
> > It gets back to the original question about if there were any
> > fatalities
> > involving people who were strictly following DIR rules.  It
> > appears the
> > answer is "no".
> 
> Wendell... by DIR definition; if you are following DIR rules
> you will not die.
> 
> Which means; if you die diving, you weren't following DIR rules and also
> means No one will ever die following DIR rules.
> 
> Would it be any different if every certification agency had a "rule" as
> follows:
> 
> Rule Number 1:  The most important (Insert your favorite certification
> agency here) rule is; Don't die while diving.
> 
> Then... if a person dies, everyone in the agency can say; "this person
> wasn't following our rules".
> 
> Whether anyone dies Diving DIR or any other program doesn't make one little
> difference because someone can always ALWAYS point to a reason a person died
> and say "See... this person wasn't following our rules because..."
> 
> Can someone... ANYONE name a single SCUBA death (outside of equipment
> failure) in which the deceased WASN'T breaking at least one of his/her
> certification agency's rules?
> 
> I doubt anyone can.
> 
> Let me play your statement back to you with one small edit:
> 
>  It gets back to the original question about if there were any
>  fatalities
>  involving people who were strictly following PADI rules.  It
>  appears the
>  answer is "no".
> 
> Now... does this make PADI any better a certification agency?
> No.
> 
> Just as the fact that no one has ever died diving DIR doesn't make it a
> better certification agency.
> 
> People are not perfect therefore people WILL die when diving... regardless
> of whether or not they were following the
> "rules"
> 
> DIR is better, not because George says it is, or because no one has died...
> it is better because it is virtually impossible to find a flaw in the logic
> used by DIR... and when there is a flaw; DIR changes to correct it.
> 
> Now... how about everyone on the list go to their respective dive
> certification agencies and have them add my rule number 1. above.  Then we
> can quit discussing whether or not anyone ever dies following the rules and
> concentrate on making diving safer for everyone.
> 
> Kind Regards,
> 
> Joe West
> 
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