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Dave, what where they,. double spare airs? Or are we talking the NE splash
of helium and I am a trimix diver mix?
-----Original Message-----
From: David B. Widen [mailto:dwiden@ho*.co*]
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 3:48 PM
To: Andy@Sc*.AS*; techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: RE: 100% Helium in Scuba Cylinders?
Andy
The times that I have seen people put 100% HE in scuba tanks, as a fill,
was to us it to equalize back into double for remixing on boat expedition
where transporting and use "K" of HE would not be appropriate. This has been
done by small buddy teams trying to be self sufficient. This is another way
of premixing and managing gas on multiple day and multiple dives yet
managing weight and equipment.
I have not nor has others in the VB Tech used this method to date, but
have see other use it when visiting us.
David
-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Schmidt [mailto:Andy_Schmidt@HM*.co*]On Behalf Of
Andy@Sc*.AS*
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 1:20 PM
To: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: 100% Helium in Scuba Cylinders?
Hi,
educate me please:
>> died as a result of breathing 100% helium <<
I understand the political and human-error discussion of this
unfortunate accident - but what's the operational purpose to EVER fill and
carry a 100% He scuba cylinder ANYWHERE. What am I missing? I understand
100% He in designated storage bottles - and I can see it being used in
CCRs - but why even FILL 100% He in cylinders that are designated for Scuba
use?
Best Regards
Andy Schmidt
Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business)
Fax: +1 201 934-9206
PS: Techdiver list disclaimer - please conserve bandwidth. The usual
slander and personal attacks should be sent directly to my email address. I
promise they will have the same effect.
-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck Noe [mailto:chucknoe@ca*.co*]
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 11:30 AM
To: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Cc: quest@gu*.co*; Techdiver; Houston Cavers
Subject: Re: DIR Fatalities
George Irvine wrote:
I can keep turning it up
and turning it up, and don't give a shit about his family or anyone else. He
lied to me and the team, made me look like an asshole
So George is worried that Jonathan's terrible mistake and death "made
(him) look like an asshole". That's really a sad comment.
This shouldn't reflect on him or the WKPP. Jonathan was not
participating in a WKPP event at the time of his death.
He clearly violated DIR standards and died as a result of breathing
100% helium from what he thought was an O2 deco cylinder.
Others should KNOW this so that his mistake will not be repeated.
1) Do not put helium in bottles indiscriminately.
2) Do not use bottles that are not marked properly.
3) Analyze everything (even oxygen).
4) Do not rush to resume diving following a serious illness.
5) Do not rush to do ANY dive. Take your time; be methodical.
George can call me any name he prefers, but he cannot change the cause
and outcome of this tragic accident. I do know that Jonathan would have
wanted the truth to be known.
Chuck
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D342371702-20122001>Dave, what=20
where they,. double spare airs? Or are we talking the NE splash of =
helium and I=20
am a trimix diver mix?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV align=3Dleft class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> David B. Widen=20
[mailto:dwiden@ho*.co*]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, December 17, 2001 =
3:48=20
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Andy@Sc*.AS*; =
techdiver@aquanaut.com<BR><B>Subject:</B>=20
RE: 100% Helium in Scuba Cylinders?<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D961294020-17122001><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>Andy</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D961294020-17122001><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D961294020-17122001><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
face=3DArial size=3D2>The=20
times that I have seen people put 100% HE in scuba tanks, as a fill, =
was to us=20
it to equalize back into double for remixing on boat expedition where=20
transporting and use "K" of HE would not be appropriate. This has been =
done by=20
small buddy teams trying to be self sufficient. This is another way of =
premixing and managing gas on multiple day and multiple dives yet =
managing=20
weight and equipment.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D961294020-17122001><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D961294020-17122001><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
face=3DArial size=3D2>I=20
have not nor has others in the VB Tech used this method to date, =
but have=20
see other use it when visiting us.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D961294020-17122001><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D961294020-17122001><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>David</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV align=3Dleft class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Andy Schmidt=20
[mailto:Andy_Schmidt@HM*.co*]<B>On Behalf Of=20
</B>Andy@Sc*.AS*<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, December 17, 2001
1:20=20
PM<BR><B>To:</B>
techdiver@aquanaut.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> 100% =
Helium in=20
Scuba Cylinders?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D715001118-17122001>Hi,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D715001118-17122001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D715001118-17122001>educate=20
me please:</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D715001118-17122001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D715001118-17122001><FONT=20
color=3D#008080>>> <FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D3>died as a result=20
of breathing 100% helium
<<</FONT></FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#008080></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D715001118-17122001><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" =
size=3D2>I=20
understand the political and human-error discussion of this=20
unfortunate accident - but what's the operational purpose to =
EVER fill=20
and carry a 100% He scuba cylinder ANYWHERE. What am I =
missing? =20
I understand 100% He in designated storage bottles - and I can see =
it being=20
used in CCRs - but why even FILL 100% He in cylinders that are=20
designated for Scuba use? </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D715001118-17122001><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
face=3D"Trebuchet MS"=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" size=3D2>Best=20
Regards<BR><B><I></I></B></FONT><B><I></I></B><
B><I><FONT =
color=3D#000080=20
face=3DGeorgia>Andy
Schmidt</FONT></I></B><I><BR></I><BR><FONT=20
face=3D"Lucida Console" size=3D1>Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20=20
(Business)<BR>Fax: +1 201 934-9206</FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Lucida Console" size=3D1></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D715001118-17122001><FONT color=3D#ff0000=20
face=3D"Lucida Console" size=3D1>PS: Techdiver list disclaimer - =
please conserve=20
bandwidth. The usual slander and personal attacks should be sent =
directly to=20
my email address. I promise they will have the same=20
effect.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV align=3Dleft class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Chuck Noe=20
[mailto:chucknoe@ca*.co*]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, December =
17, 2001=20
11:30 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
techdiver@aquanaut.com<BR><B>Cc:</B> =
quest@gu*.co*;=20
Techdiver; Houston Cavers<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: DIR=20
Fatalities<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>George Irvine wrote:=20
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D"CITE"><PRE>I can keep turning it up
and turning it up, and don't give a shit about his family or anyone =
else. He
lied to me and the team, made me look like an asshole</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE>
<P><BR>So George is worried that Jonathan's terrible mistake and =
death=20
"made (him) look like an asshole". That's really a sad comment.=20
<P>This shouldn't reflect on him or the WKPP. Jonathan was not=20
participating in a WKPP event at the time of his death.=20
<P>He clearly violated DIR standards and died as a result of =
breathing=20
100% helium from what he thought was an O2 deco cylinder.=20
<P>Others should KNOW this so that his mistake will not be =
repeated.=20
<P>1) Do not put helium in bottles indiscriminately. <BR>2) Do not =
use=20
bottles that are not marked properly. <BR>3) Analyze everything =
(even=20
oxygen). <BR>4) Do not rush to resume diving following a serious =
illness.=20
<BR>5) Do not rush to do ANY dive. Take your time; be methodical.=20
<P>George can call me any name he prefers, but he cannot change =
the cause=20
and outcome of this tragic accident. I do know that Jonathan would =
have=20
wanted the truth to be known.=20
<P>Chuck <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> =20
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