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From: ScottBonis@ao*.co*
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 20:42:39 EST
Subject: Re: [cavers] RE: GI and SS to Merge
To: cdegler@aq*.co*, techdiver@aquanaut.com, cavers@ca*.co*,
     quest@gu*.co*
Hi Curt,

You bring up a good point in that it seems to me that on these lists, there 
may be a significant disagreement as to exactly what constitutes a "stroke" 
or "stroke gear."  Perhaps we need a clearer definition.

As an alternative to the position you present, I am under the impression that 
a recreational diver wearing recreational gear and doing no-stop, single-gas, 
non-overhead recreational dives, is not necessarily a "stroke."  But this 
seems to be asserted in many of the messages on these lists.  I am under the 
impression that a "stroke" is someone who has an unsafe attitude (and who may 
be using unsafe or unnecessary gear for the particular dive he or she is 
making).  I do not believe that a dive done safely within recreational diving 
limits using recreational gear, is necessarily a "stroke dive."

Based on the above, I would tend to reword your second paragraph as follows.
"Equipped with my AL80, an aluminum backplate with Halcyon Pioneer wings, a 
single piece webbed harness, a 3 mm shorty, an 8 or 10 pound weight belt, a 
high quality regulator setup, no lights, spring strapped jets, no bolt snaps, 
no aluminum stages, no reels, no lift bags, an air fill, a BT and a depth 
gauge or a single unit doing both, etc., etc., etc., I stride off the vessel 
into 83F water and spend the next 35 minutes with my identically suited Team 
in 10 meters of currentless clear reef water and play with the fish."

IMHO, there is nothing wrong here (other than the dive would probably be 
significantly longer than 35 minutes) and nothing conflicting with my 
understanding of the DIR concept.  And although this is surely not an 
advanced dive, I see no reason to label it a "stroke dive."

But then, this is only one instructor's opinion.  :-))

Take care and dive safe,       Scott

Some weeks it's just not worth the effort to gnaw through the restraints and 
scramble up out of the pit.



In a message dated 11/11/01 2:07:11 PM, cdegler@aq*.co* writes:
<< Imagine this:

I've spent $5000.00 on training and an equal amount on gear. All of it
DIR, according to the higher power who determines these things. 

Equipped with my steel doubles, SS plate, isolated manifold, Trilam
drysuit with argon inflation, the latest (by DIR standards) din
regulator setup and config, cannister light and halcyon bu's, spring
strapped jets, ss bolt snaps, aluminum stages, HE fills, BTs, etc. etc.
etc., I stride off the vessel into 83F water and spend the next 35
minutes with my identically suited Team in 10 meters of currentless
clear reef water and play with the fish. 

Something wrong here? 

You bet there is.

This is a stroke dive. They have their place. I'm sure we all have
enjoyed them thoroughly. Where the dive is more about experiencing and
enjoying a safe and benign aquatic environment and friendly marine life
then about fooling around with too much expensive gear and a philosophy
better designed for a deep space walk, a night beach assault, a 5 mile
OH penetration at 100m or a filthy invective filled net dispute.

Stroke gear is appropriate for light recreational diving (a stroke dive)
by those who want desire to engage in this activity. DIR gear and
philosophy is out of place here unless very significantly altered to
conform with the demands or lack of them made by the environment in
which it is to used and the people who realistically will be making
these dives and only these dives. They want convenience, attractive
gear, ease of use, reduced cost, and no arguments or put downs because
they have the wrong kind of fins. 

Curt Degler >>
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