Thanks for clearing that up George-

    Jim

On Tuesday, October 30, 2001, at 07:20 AM, Trey wrote:

> Jim, I have never had any SP regs other than the MK15 and 20 with G 
> -250's.
> I do have R 190 internal tube and lever in my rebreather. I do not know
> about the MK10 or any of their other products, and don't need to when 
> there
> is Apeks and Oceanic.
>
> What I said was that the G250 is the easiest breathing reg, and I use 
> it on
> the bottles which I have to breathe for a long time, like my oxygen or 
> 50%.
> I also said that the 15 or 20 with G250 makes a great safety reg 
> because it
> lasts for ever in the cave where we leave them , and works when called 
> upon
> in that application.
>
> I have been using Apeks for ten years. I gave up on Poseidon after 
> having to
> have custom parts made. I gave up on Scuba Pro other than in the
> applications I discussed due to constant repair problems and the high 
> IP. I
> settled on Apeks and Oceanic after years of trying the list above.
>
> If I did not make that clear, I apologize to anyone who thought I was
> recommending these as standard regs. They are a poor choice. Keep in 
> mind
> that SP approached me and asked me to use them, gave me some etc. I told
> them I did not need any, but would try them if they would make them
> available to my whole team at good prices. They did . I tried a set on 
> my
> back and  stopped that after one dive. I already knew to use them on
> safeties and deco bottles, so continued to buy them for that.
>
> Jim, I have some 30 safeties in various caves right now with them on 
> it. I
> have about 20 Apeks regs, about 20 Oceanic, and about 10 Poseidon with 
> Apeks
> seconds and custom internals and stems.
>
> Also, if I make a mistake, like dicking with SP regs, I am the first to
> admit it. If you have the money and can stand the downtime, buy a 
> Ferrari.
> If you want none of that for less money, get a Z06 - go faster for less
> money and less maintenance. Live and learn.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Cobb [mailto:cobber@ci*.co*]
> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 9:19 PM
> To: Trey
> Cc: terry michael; Lee Bell; techdiver@aquanaut.com
> Subject: ScubaPro-motions
>
>
> George I have you call you on this one. You once had nothing but nice,
> glowing things to say about Scuba Pro regs. I was a little curious about
> this at the time as, while I do think that they are good regs, they do
> tend to be a little finniky.  You need to rebuild them every year
> religiously, sometime more than once a year and SP does not like to sell
> repair parts to individuals. I am happy with my Mk10+ 1'sts and G250
> seconds, they have done me good service over the years. They breath fine
> and I have not had to adjust mine. I use Beuchats on my stages and like
> them as well.
>
> To be fair you have also mentioned Apeks, Beuchat and Oceanic over the
> years, too, but SP was really pushed hard. You now say that they are
> dogshit and everybody should dump their SP's and run out and purchase
> Apeks. And of course you have always used custom modified Posiden 1st's.
>
> I am a little annoyed as, lets face it, your recommendations are gold.
> What George Irvine says on Techdiver and other forums causes a stampede
> of divers to go out and purchase what George Irvine says is good. And
> the reason for that is is that you are nearly always right and generally
> people who dive know to trust your recommendations.
>
> So my question is, what caused you to do a 180 on SP? Are they really
> dogshit or did someone at SP piss you off? Did they used to not use
> shims, or have you discoved a major defect after constant use? Other
> than paying through the nose for maintenance are SP's really all that
> bad? Straighten me out, George.
>
>     Jim
>
>
> On Sunday, October 28, 2001, at 06:41 PM, Trey wrote:
>
>>
>> Terry, I don't know about the 380, never had one, but I do know that
>> the MK
>> 20 has a ridiculous shim system for adjustment. If you do not take the
>> shims
>> out, the pressure is way too high, and even after you do, you can not
>> get it
>> down to 120 on most of them. Even when you do get the pressure down to
>> an
>> acceptable level it does not last long, and begins to come back up
>> again.
>> Some of our guys have tried altering the spring by compressing it for a
>> long
>> time in a vise (futile bullshit), but most of our guys did the right
>> thing -
>> Ebay, under the PT Barnum Theory.
>>
>> I still have some , but i use them as safety bottle regs since they do
>> last
>> being left in water,I can operate the valve when, not if they fail,
>> and the
>> only way a G 250 will work twice in a row is if it is not allowed to 
>> dry
>> out. An expensive mistake, even at the price of 125 charged to me by
>> Scuba
>> Pro for each set. I still got fucked if you add in the repair bills.
>>
>> Any new purchases by me are Apeks or Oceanic ( they have a some 
>> reliable
>> stuff that has lasted me with no problems). I have no repair parts for
>> either Apeks or Oceanic, and have never needed any. For Scuba Pro I
>> have a
>> huge bag of parts given to me by the Navy when they threw in the towel
>> on
>> this crap. I have had to use most of them and spent some 600 bucks last
>> year
>> alone getting these things fixed.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: terry michael [mailto:OEA51@go*.co*]
>> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 10:12 AM
>> To: Lee Bell; Trey; techdiver@aquanaut.com
>> Subject: Re: Re: Scout bulbs
>>
>>
>>> stainless plate and 18 lb lift wing, breath the long hose on a Scuba
>>> Pro
>>> Mk-20/G250 with a R380 on a necklace.
>>
>> R380? Isn’t that great little performer a stroke reg? It's a dead give
>> away
>> in my opinion, R380 = STROKER. How many spacers you got in the Mk20's
>> anyway? ..he he he ;-)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Lee Bell"<leebell@ix*.ne*.co*>
>> To: "Trey"<trey@ne*.co*>, techdiver@aquanaut.com
>> Date: Wed Oct 24 06:31:54 PDT 2001
>> Subject: Re: Scout bulbs
>>
>>> Trey wrote:
>>>
>>>> "heat from shorted batteries" ?
>>>
>>> Yep.  Heat from shorted batteries.  It's a pretty routine event.  Salt
>> water
>>> shorts the battery and, presto, it heats up.  It's a pretty well known
>>> problem.  I'm surprised you didn't know about it.
>>>
>>>> Hello, Mom? Lee, have you ever actually been diving, and do you have
>>>> any
>>>> experience with anything other than getting on dive lists and saying
>>> stupid ,
>>>> misinformed, ridiculous things and then trying to pretend you know
>>>> what
>>> you are
>>>> talking about?
>>>
>>> Hello, Trey?  Did you forget that some of us dive in salt water?
>>>
>>> You seem to have a short memory or, perhaps, don't bother to read what
>>> others have to say, so I'll repeat it for you.  Yes, I go diving.  I
>> started
>>> in 1962 after a home course given by a YMCA instructor and have been
>>> active
>>> every since.  My first card came from NAUI in 1969 when it became hard
>>> to
>>> get air without one.  I did my cave diving back in the mid to late
>>> 60s.  It
>>> was nothing like what you're doing now, but it was extreme for
>>> recreational
>>> divers of the time.  I do something in the range of 50 dives a 
>>> year.  I
>>> didn't record anything for the first 30 years and am still not real
>>> good
>>> about doing so.  I've had a boat of my own since I was 6.  If I count
>>> my
>>> kayak and inflatable, I have 4 diveable boats at the moment and have
>>> made
>> an
>>> offer on another.  I live in the same county as you do, know some of
>>> the
>>> same people and, when I use a commercial operator, dive off of some of
>>> the
>>> same boats you do.  I dive almost exclusively salt water.  I have a
>>> Haclyon
>>> stainless plate and 18 lb lift wing, breath the long hose on a Scuba
>>> Pro
>>> Mk-20/G250 with a R380 on a necklace.  I have two scout lights on the
>>> harness at all times.  I also have a Halcyon aluminum plate that I'm
>>> configuring for dive travel.  All of this was purchased from a store
>>> you
>>> know well, it's right next door to the Southport Raw Bar.  Remember 
>>> the
>>> place?  It's called Brownies.
>>>
>>> My Scout light flooded, so did another posters.  When mine did, I went
>>> back
>>
>>> to Brownies.  They are the ones who told me about the problem
>>> reflectors
>>> from UK.  I didn't come up with it, I just repeated it here.  I also
>>> said
>>> that the light is robust and that it was replaced promptly as I
>>> expected it
>>> would be.  I believe I had some nice things to say about the light, 
>>> the
>>> shop, the the manufacturer and the CEO of the company.  Which of these
>>> do
>>> you not agree with?
>>>
>>>> I know the history of all of these pieces of equipment and am
>>>> involved in
>>>> the evolution of every one of them. Just to correct your other piece
>>>> of
>>>> bullshit, there are two basic similar light heads that those guys
>>>> make,
>>> and
>>>> one will not fit where the other is designed to go - at all.
>>>
>>> Well, then I suppose the folks at Brownies were wrong.  Be sure to 
>>> tell
>> them
>>> next time you stop into the shop.
>>>
>>>> The problem is as I was saying, and a leaking light needs to be
>>>> returned
>>> or thrown
>>>> away, not taken on dives.
>>>
>>> You seem to be having a problem with reading.  Nobody, and certainly
>>> not
>> me,
>>> said that a leaking light should be taken on a dive, ever.  I said I
>>> returned mine and it was replaced.  It seems that we agree on a key
>> element.
>>> Not bad for a moron.  Perhaps you throw away $80 lights that fail, but
>>> most
>>> of us prefer to return them for a refund or replacement, as I did.  It
>>> also
>>> seems that I have a higher opinion of the Scout light than you do.  I
>>> don't
>>> expect a light that expensive to fail the second time it hits the
>>> water, as
>>> mine did.  I expected the light to work consistently and reliably
>>> specifically because it was developed for an environment that is
>> unforgiving
>>> of equipment failures and is manufacturered by someone who appears to
>>> care
>>> about the quality of his products.  When the light did not live up to
>>> my
>>> expectations, I looked into why and got an answer that satisfied me.
>>> If it
>>> had not, I would not be using Scout lights today.  If the answer is
>>> wrong,
>>> then perhaps I should stop using them now.  Is that your
>>> recommendation?
>>> Tell me quickly because I'm about to introduce another diver to
>>> equipment
>> JJ
>>> makes and if there's a quality problem, I'd like to know about it.
>>>
>>>> You are not, do not, and have never been involved in anything but
>> bullshit
>>>> on the web. You are the best example of what Capt JT is always
>> complaining
>>>> about .
>>>
>>> No, I'm the best example of what you are always complaining about, a
>>> diver
>>> who bothers to think for himself and make his own informed decisions 
>>> on
>>> equipment and diving issues.  You're just going to have to live with
>>> the
>>> fact that not everyone thinks that blindly following another, even if
>>> it's
>>> you, is a real great idea.  I've learned a lot directly and indirectly
>>> from
>>> members of your team, but since I have no desire or expectation of
>>> joining
>>> your team, you'll just have to get over the fact that I can and will
>>> think
>>> and decide for myself.
>>>
>>> Lee
>>>
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