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Aldo, I for one being a wreck diver who does take artifacts. Most of the wrecks I dive on don't just have stuff lying around on them. It's a lot of work to find them. Do the research, get plans, take measurements and then dig. I don't think I'm digging on anything of cultural heritage. If I was diving on a ship off Greece and pulling up 4000 year old Amphora's then I'd see your point. A cage lamp that is buried under 2 feet of sand from a WW II liberty ship is of cultural significance? Give me a break. If a wreck is considered a "no taking" wreck like most battle chips carrying munitions then I'll respect that. If it's not of interest to just swim around then I won't dive it. But there aren't many wrecks in my area that stand up high enough to be of any interest really to me. I think you mentioned spear fishing. You think that the depletion of a species of fish is caused by divers? What about trawlers? A trawler in my area can certainly bring up more fish in one day than a dive boat can in a whole season. Same with party boats. Going to kill this industry too?? I think what most people are arguing here is that it's WAY too broad. Limiting all access to anything underwater is way too broad. It needs to be defined or I think you're going to see a major drop in the diving community. I know of many boats in my area that would cease to exist if you weren't able to take stuff. Swimming around in 130 foot of water looking at ballast stones, broken timbers or steel hull plates projecting a whopping 2 feet out of the sand is no fun to most. I don't know about your area of the world but in general, in the North East on the US, the life expectance for most ships is about 150 years before they sink below the sands never to be seen from again.... Good reason to protect them huh? Let me repeat, NEVER SEEN FROM AGAIN...... Art. P.S. I'm sure it's a choice of words but using the words "terrorists" in your previous email was offensive. I live in the NY area and know many people effected by the Sept. 11 bombings of the World Trade Centers. These are real terrorists, not divers. Sure it's a bad choice of words but please be a little more careful when choosing.... -----Original Message----- From: Aldo Solari [APS] [mailto:aldo.solari@ho*.se*] Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 11:02 PM To: techdiver@aquanaut.com Subject: Re[2]: UNESCO Michael, personally, I do not have a problem with serious people who get organized, consult with experts, get funding, contribute to research, carry out serious projects, etc. There is much need for doing so and I would like to see more "tech divers" to do serious work (such as the WKPP does but in other fields). What I *certainly* find deplorable is the Joe-6-Pack who get together and go to gutt everything they find. The diving community should take the stand for what is acceptable praxis both from the moral, technical and philosphical viewpoints. Your country, AU, regulates all of these activities very well and, IMO, it is an example to follow on the institutional level. ---- aldo.solari@ho*.se* (fisheries biologist) Home page, www.ccbb.ulpgc.es/fish-ecology/solaris ---- -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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