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Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 08:57:45 +0200
From: mat.voss@t-*.de* (Matthias Voss)
Organization: Harry Haller Memorial Fund
To: ScottBonis@ao*.co*
CC: Jozef.Gliviak@co*.co*, techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: Does He prevents freezing?
You are right, I answered this one to quick, mixing up triple point and
inversion temperature.

Inversion temp :
At adiabatic expansion a gas cools down if below the inversion
temperature. It heats up if above.
Inversion temp for air is +490 °C, for Hydrogen -80°C, for Helium I have
calculated it using van der Vaals coefficients to be 133 °K, that is
-139°C. But pls. calculate yourself , for I cannot exclude any errors on
my behalf.

In short this means, in a real world , air will cool down in expansion ,
Hydrogen and Helium will heat up. In a mix , it is different, effects
and temp will mix.

ScottBonis@ao*.co* schrieb:
> 
> Hi Mat,
> 
> SAY WHAATTT????  I think you need to learn a little about the physics of
> gasses.
> 
> Take care and dive safe,       Scott
> 
> Some weeks it's just not worth the effort to gnaw through the restraints and
> scramble up out of the pit.
> 
> In a message dated 10/9/01 2:32:08 PM, mat.voss@t-*.de* writes:
> << Jozef,
> It could be the Joule thompson effect. There is some sort of "triple
> point specific to each gas, each mix,  which rules wether your gas heats
> up or cools down when expanding, relative to the prssure you are
> starting the relevant consideration.
> regards
> Matthias >>
> 
> "Gliviak, Jozef" schrieb:
> > Hello Guys,
> >
> > I've heard a story that some Polish guys were using about 20+ % of He in the
> > mix in order to prevent regulator freezing during diving in very cold
> > springs (1-3C)in High Tatra mountains. Is there any physical explanation of
> > this behavior or it it just a old boys tale ?
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> >  Jozef Gliviak
> >  Slovakia
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