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From: "Isaac Callicrate" <icallicrate@ho*.co*>
To: wgrogan@dc*.ne*, SRSCHIRATO@BK*.co*, OEA51@go*.co*, techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: RES: Re: [E-CAVERS] BIG Bull and Squeeze
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 09:10:31 -0400

Good stuff Wendell, thanks.

>From: wendell grogan <wgrogan@dc*.ne*>
>To: Isaac Callicrate <icallicrate@ho*.co*>, SRSCHIRATO@BK*.co*, 
>OEA51@go*.co*, techdiver@aquanaut.com
>Subject: Re: RES: Re: [E-CAVERS] BIG Bull and Squeeze
>Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 23:07:24 -0400
>
>Isaac,
>I think you made some good points, but there really are some guidlines that 
>can be followed to prevent injury.
>I personally find that I feel worse after an hour lifting weights than I do 
>after a well executed dive.  Sure, you feel tired and a bit drained after a 
>dive, but after you finish your surface deco, you should be ready to go!
>Trey talks about the half hour rule- if, after a half hour, you don't feel 
>up to a five mile run, then you didn't do adequate deco (or you're not in 
>good enough shape for the dive you did).
>You have to realize that just walking around induces a certain amount of 
>trauma on the human body, so you are right in saying that all diving 
>involves some injury.  That's OK because your body is designed to deal with
>that.  Its when you overwhelm your body's ability to cope with injury that 
>you get into trouble.
>In terms of deciding whether or not a particular ache or pain is DCI, there 
>are a number of ground rule that can be applied.  However, I think a more 
>rational approach is that if it goes away, then sit back and analyse
>what happened.  Take the pain and use it as a warning that you did 
>something wrong.  Maybe it was DCI, maybe it was overstressing joints that 
>you hadn't adequately trained before the dive.  Think it through, talk to a
>medical advisor if you're not sure, then modify your training or deco 
>procedures to prevent it from happening again.
>Wendell
>
>
>
>
> >Ever feel tired on a dive?
> >More so than equivalent surface exercise? Where to draw the line between
> >normal post dive exhaustion cause (dehydration, exercise, CO2, Gas 
>Exchange,
> >body temperature) and possible bubble injury? I think most divers base it 
>on
> >symptom resolution (take a nap and feel better). Unfortunately if it was 
>DCI
> >than you are behind the clock. I think it is the same with aches and mild
> >pains. It might be DCI, but if it resolves without recompression than how 
>do
> >you know? I think it boils down to diving to a level of risk you are
> >educated enough to make a decision about. Without the access to doppler,
> >hyperbaric oxygen, and an intensive care support structure we are 
>increasing
> >risk significantly. The best you can do to minimize that permanent risk 
>is
> >if you think you might have a pressure injury, don't wait, call the
> >appropriate authority. All divers should be insured for, encouraged to 
>use
> >and have access to hyperbaric treatment. I hope I gave you some answer in
> >there somewhere.
>
>


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