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--=====================_6649965==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Duane, for someone who's done arguing and wants closure to these post. You said a hellva lot that needs to be answered. So lets get this right, you've been teaching for ten years and you just wanted to get into techdiving 1 year ago, with 30-50 logged dives. What kind of bullshit is that and tell me, were you "Doing it Wrong" for those 10 years and how many students did you fuck by teaching them wrong, cause you just took the class on "doing it right" in the last 6 months. I say your full of shit, your a rookie techdiver and wannabee. Get this through your stupid ass head, I already answered why I say they were buddies, go back to the first post you answered. When you leave the boat together and agree to stay together until you hit the wreck, you are a buddy team until that happens, they did not make the wreck together, cut and dry...... What I find strange about this whole thing is that on the death of Charlie Mcgurr on the Doria trip I was on, this was the subject title "Where was this guy's buddy?", all the agreed upon things that the 3 divers did happened, Charlie called his dive, said he was OK, went up and disappeared, yet this list accused the buddy of leaving Charlie. Now we have 2 divers that agree to stay together until they reach the wreck, they don't make the wreck together and its called "Solo Diving", that's bullshit and so are you...... Check this out asshole. When those two guys were diving together(as Buddies) on the way down and hit the bottom, with Eric in back and over, Eric should have fixed his light on the bottom for Mike to see the whole time as they headed for the wreck, the minute Mike saw the light gone he would have known something was wrong, that way he would not have to keep looking back to see if Eric was still there......(Every techdiver should carry a light, so don't say he didn't have one, if he didn't he is as fucked up as the RB he was using.) That is a cave teaching of which I have none, how the fuck do I know it, because I dive with guys who have taken it and use the teachings.... top of the line guys.... not like you. Thanks, Tow Sawicki for teaching VBtech that technique. At 10:28 PM 10/1/01 -0500, Duane Liptak Jr. wrote: > >Christian, I watch and read almost every stupid post that is made on this > >list. > >Not only do you read all the stupid posts, JT, but you also write a fair >percentage of them. > > I'm done arguing. I just don't have the time or the energy to > waste. I will openly admit that I don't know a whole lot about ocean > diving. Never claimed to, and haven't even done any at all since > February. You've got me there. I guess I'd better take a GUE course, > huh? I do know what the fuck I am doing in a cave, in principles of > teamwork and diving in general as it applies to what I do, and in the > interdisciplinary applications of these principles. You would be served > well to judge input to this list based on content, and not on your warped > sense of who "rates" to post. I really don't care if you believe me or > not. Your approval is not something I need to feel secure. You have > done things I have not, and I have done things that you have not, as hard > as you may find that to believe. Grow up, and learn from what everyone > brings to the party. > You, on the other hand, post just to see your name show up on the > list, whether or not you have anything useful to add to any relevant > topic. This was proven once and for all by your incessant humorous > rambling about ground fighting, a field you obviously have NO experience > in except the fact that you own all of the UFC videos and watch a lot of > ESPN2. Trey posted about his actual knowledge of the acitivity, and you, > obviously feeling your penis size challenged, tried to throw in your plug > nickel's worth, and caused everyone out here who knows anything about the > field to get a good belly laugh. You have gone to new heights of > hypocrisy. Perhaps the next time you don't have any actual knowledge to > add, you should take your own misappropriated advice and STFU. In case > you're wondering, I have been teaching the shit for the last 10 > years, and have also unfortunately had real world experience. I have > not responded up until now because: a.) it was off topic for this list; > and b.) I have only recently picked myself up off the floor from the fits > of laughter you caused me to have. > As I said before, this is closure for me on this issue, so any > attempts to stir me into further juvenile bickering will be > ignored. We've wasted enough bandwidth on a public forum. Unless, of > course, you would like to drop the smoke screen, get back to what started > this all, and tell the list why your "they fell off the same boat, they > were a buddy team" theory is more correct than what the "rookie" posted? > >Duane > > > "You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in the water" Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/ Email captjt@mi*.co* --=====================_6649965==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html> Duane, for someone who's done arguing and wants closure to these post. You said a hellva lot that needs to be answered. <br> So lets get this right, you've been teaching for ten years and you just wanted to get into techdiving 1 year ago, with 30-50 logged dives. What kind of bullshit is that and tell me, were you "Doing it Wrong" for those 10 years and how many students did you fuck by teaching them wrong, cause you just took the class on "doing it right" in the last 6 months. I say your full of shit, your a rookie techdiver and wannabee.<br> Get this through your stupid ass head, I already answered why I say they were buddies, go back to the first post you answered. <br> <br> When you leave the boat together and agree to stay together until you hit the wreck, you are a buddy team until that happens, they did not make the wreck together, cut and dry......<br> <br> What I find strange about this whole thing is that on the death of Charlie Mcgurr on the Doria trip I was on, this was the subject title "Where was this guy's buddy?", all the agreed upon things that the 3 divers did happened, Charlie called his dive, said he was OK, went up and disappeared, yet this list accused the buddy of leaving Charlie.<br> Now we have 2 divers that agree to stay together until they reach the wreck, they don't make the wreck together and its called "Solo Diving", that's bullshit and so are you......<br> <br> Check this out asshole. When those two guys were diving together(as Buddies) on the way down and hit the bottom, with Eric in back and over, Eric should have fixed his light on the bottom for Mike to see the whole time as they headed for the wreck, the minute Mike saw the light gone he would have known something was wrong, that way he would not have to keep looking back to see if Eric was still there......(Every techdiver should carry a light, so don't say he didn't have one, if he didn't he is as fucked up as the RB he was using.) That is a cave teaching of which I have none, how the fuck do I know it, because I dive with guys who have taken it and use the teachings.... top of the line guys.... not like you.<br> <br> Thanks, Tow Sawicki for teaching VBtech that technique. <br> <br> <br> At 10:28 PM 10/1/01 -0500, Duane Liptak Jr. wrote:<br> <br> <blockquote type=3Dcite cite>><font size=3D2>Christian, I watch and read almost every stupid post that is made on this <br> >list. </font><br> <br> Not only do you read all the stupid posts, JT, but you also write a fair percentage of them.<br> <br> <font size=3D2> </font>I'm done arguing. I just don't have the time or the energy to waste. I will openly admit that I don't know a whole lot about ocean diving. Never claimed to, and haven't even done any at all since February. You've got me there. I guess I'd better take a GUE course, huh? I do know what the fuck I am doing in a cave, in principles of teamwork and diving in general as it applies to what I do, and in the interdisciplinary applications of these principles. You would be served well to judge input to this list based on content, and not on your warped sense of who "rates" to post. I really don't care if you believe me or not. Your approval is not something I need to feel secure. You have done things I have not, and I have done things that you have not, as hard as you may find that to believe. Grow up, and learn from what everyone brings to the party.<br> <font size=3D2> </font>You, on the other hand, post just to see your name show up on the list, whether or not you have anything useful to add to any relevant topic. This was proven once and for all by your incessant humorous rambling about ground fighting, a field you obviously have NO experience in except the fact that you own all of the UFC videos and watch a lot of ESPN2. Trey posted about his actual knowledge of the acitivity, and you, obviously feeling your penis size challenged, tried to throw in your plug nickel's worth, and caused everyone out here who knows anything about the field to get a good belly laugh. You have gone to new heights of hypocrisy. Perhaps the next time you don't have any actual knowledge to add, you should take your own misappropriated advice and STFU. In case you're wondering, I have been teaching the shit for the last 10 years, and have also unfortunately had real world experience. I have not responded up until now because: a.) it was off topic for this list; and b.) I have only recently picked myself up off the floor from the fits of laughter you caused me to have.<br> <font size=3D2> </font>As I said before, this is closure for me on this issue, so any attempts to stir me into further juvenile bickering will be ignored. We've wasted enough bandwidth on a public forum. Unless, of course, you would like to drop the smoke screen, get back to what started this all, and tell the list why your "they fell off the same boat, they were a buddy team" theory is more correct than what the "rookie" posted?<br> <br> Duane<br> <font size=3D2> </font><br> <br> </blockquote><br> "You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in the water"<br> <font color=3D"#0000FF"><u>Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more <br> Web Site <a href=3D"http://www.capt-jt.com/"= eudora=3D"autourl">http://www.capt-jt.com/</a><br> Email captjt@mi*.co*<br> <br> </font></u></html> --=====================_6649965==_.ALT-- -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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