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Dave, I knew it, these wannabees take a class, suck some ass and start 
posting. There should be a rule that if you don't have 1000 or more logged 
dives with at least 400 of those in the ocean you can't post.... then those 
wannabees would be out of here.


  At 06:28 AM 9/21/01 -0400, David B"." Widen wrote:
>JT
>
>He is in the military and used to live up by DC. He got transferred to FL 
>and has take probably one or two GUE classes now. This make him an expert 
>and is praying to the GUE Gods now! We are all strokes in his eyes. 
>Another Allen P.
>
>I invited him down to dive with us over a year ago. I that at that time he 
>had less the 100 dives. If memory servers me (you know my memory) it was 
>30 ~ 50 dives.
>
>David
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: listowner@ci*.co* [mailto:listowner@ci*.co*]On 
>>Behalf Of Capt JT
>>Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 8:56 PM
>>To: Duane Liptak Jr .; techdiver@aquanaut.com; vbtech@ci*.co*
>>Subject: Re: buddy teams, was Re: Death of Eric Reichardt, 9/16/01
>>
>>Just as I thought, I told you in private you were a moron..... Your first 
>>post proves it, you even call yourself a weenie..... check out his first 
>>post from Sept 2000 ( that's just one year ago) and he lives here in Va 
>>some where, I never even heard of him around here, any of you guys in 
>>VBtech know him? You ain't nothing but an Internet Diver, stop posting 
>>you don't have a clue....
>>
>>http://www.aquanaut.com/bin/mlist/aquanaut/techdiver/display?45180,from
>>
>>
>>At 03:11 PM 9/20/01 -0500, Duane Liptak Jr. wrote:
>>><snip>
>>>
>>> >You are diving as a buddy team at this point, lets agree on this because
>>> >you entered the water together.
>>>
>>>     This is a dangerous statement.  Co-located individuals do not a 
>>> buddy team make.  What we have here is two individuals who have talked 
>>> about their respective dive plans, and chosen to conduct them 
>>> concurrently.  Each of them had a different dive objective, had 
>>> different life support systems that their counterpart may or may not 
>>> have had more than passing familiarity with, and neither of them 
>>> planned to keep the other under observation during critical or task 
>>> loaded phases of the dive, namely descent and deco ("25 minute planned 
>>> bottom times, with total run times of 107 minutes and 121 minutes", 
>>> "Eric was to shoot his own bag" ).  On top of this, there was no 
>>> support.  Dropping down the same shot line doesn't mean you are paying 
>>> close enough attention to the other guy to make a damn of 
>>> difference.  They were diving solo--the original post states this as an 
>>> agreed upon fact, and rightfully so.
>>>
>>> >Eric is the diver at
>>> >risk and should have been in front for you to easily monitor. It does not
>>> >matter if it is a camera, video camera, or gear to collect fish. Those
>>> >divers should lead as this extra gear puts them at risk. The weakest 
>>> diver
>>> >should also always goes first.
>>>
>>>Well, I partially agree with this part, but...If the dive would have 
>>>been conducted as a "no shit" team effort, they both would have 
>>>monitored each other more closely for problems during descent, and the 
>>>rest of the dive, for that matter, and would have been diving the same 
>>>gear configuration so they would have been more capable of useful 
>>>assistance in the event of a problem.  An occasional look over one's 
>>>shoulder doesn't cut it, especially when you're both diving different 
>>>pieces of crap stroke gear that require you to turn more knobs and 
>>>levers than the man behind the curtain in the Wizard of Oz.
>>>
>>>To Mike--I'm sorry you lost a friend.  BUT, I'm even more sorry that 
>>>neither of you saw the writing on the wall early enough to stop this 
>>>nonsense.  What bothers me even more--and I hope I'm wrong here--is the 
>>>fact that you will probably keep on doing the same shit until it catches 
>>>up to you.
>>>
>>>
>>>Duane
>>>
>>>
>>"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in 
>>the water"
>>Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more
>>  Web Site  http://www.capt-jt.com/
>>Email     captjt@mi*.co*
>
>"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in 
>the water"
>Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more
>  Web Site  http://www.capt-jt.com/
>Email     captjt@mi*.co*
>

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Dave, I knew it, these wannabees take a class, suck some ass and start
posting. There should be a rule that if you don't have 1000 or more
logged dives with at least 400 of those in the ocean you can't post....
then those wannabees would be out of here.<br>
<br>
<br>
 At 06:28 AM 9/21/01 -0400, David B"." Widen wrote:<br>
<font face="arial" size=2 color="#0000FF"><blockquote type=cite
cite>JT</font><br>
 <br>
<font face="arial" size=2 color="#0000FF">He is in the military and used
to live up by DC. He got transferred to FL and has take probably one or
two GUE classes now. This make him an expert and is praying to the GUE
Gods now! We are all strokes in his eyes. Another Allen P.</font><br>
 <br>
<font face="arial" size=2 color="#0000FF">I invited him down to dive with
us over a year ago. I that at that time he had less the 100 dives. If
memory servers me (you know my memory) it was 30 ~ 50 dives.</font><br>
 <br>
<font face="arial" size=2
color="#0000FF">David</font><blockquote><font face="tahoma" size=2>
<dl>
<dd>-----Original Message-----
<dd>From:</b> listowner@ci*.co*
[<a href="mailto:listowner@ci*.co*%5DOn"
eudora="autourl">mailto:listowner@ci*.co*]</a><a
href="mailto:listowner@ci*.co*%5DOn" eudora="autourl">On</a>
Behalf Of </b>Capt JT
<dd>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 20, 2001 8:56 PM
<dd>To:</b> Duane Liptak Jr .; techdiver@aquanaut.com;
vbtech@ci*.co*
<dd>Subject:</b> Re: buddy teams, was Re: Death of Eric Reichardt,
9/16/01<br>
<br>
</font>
<dd>Just as I thought, I told you in private you were a moron..... Your
first post proves it, you even call yourself a weenie..... check out his
first post from Sept 2000 ( that's just one year ago) and he lives here
in Va some where, I never even heard of him around here, any of you guys
in VBtech know him? You ain't nothing but an Internet Diver, stop posting
you don't have a clue....
<dd> 
<dd><a
href="http://www.aquanaut.com/bin/mlist/aquanaut/techdiver/display?45180,from"
eudora="autourl">http://www.aquanaut.com/bin/mlist/aquanaut/techdiver/display?45
180,from</a><br>
<br>

<dd> 
<dd>At 03:11 PM 9/20/01 -0500, Duane Liptak Jr.
wrote:<blockquote type=cite cite>
<dd><snip><br>
<br>

<dd>>You are diving as a buddy team at this point, lets agree on this
because 
<dd>>you entered the water together.
<dd> 
<dd>    This is a dangerous statement.  Co-located
individuals do not a buddy team make.  What we have here is two
individuals who have talked about their respective dive plans, and chosen
to conduct them concurrently.  Each of them had a different dive
objective, had different life support systems that their counterpart may
or may not have had more than passing familiarity with, and neither of
them planned to keep the other under observation during critical or task
loaded phases of the dive, namely descent and deco ("25 minute
planned bottom times, with total run times of 107 minutes and 121
minutes", "Eric was to shoot his own bag" ).  On top
of this, there was no support.  Dropping down the same shot line
doesn't mean you are paying close enough attention to the other guy to
make a damn of difference.  They were diving solo--the original post
states this as an agreed upon fact, and rightfully so.  <br>
<br>

<dd>>Eric is the diver at 
<dd>>risk and should have been in front for you to easily monitor. It
does not 
<dd>>matter if it is a camera, video camera, or gear to collect fish.
Those 
<dd>>divers should lead as this extra gear puts them at risk. The
weakest diver 
<dd>>should also always goes first.
<dd> 
<dd>Well, I partially agree with this part, but...If the dive would have
been conducted as a "no shit" team effort, they both </b>would
have monitored each other </b>more closely for problems during descent,
and the rest of the dive, for that matter, and would have been diving the
same gear configuration so they would have been more capable of useful
assistance in the event of a problem.  An occasional look over one's
shoulder doesn't cut it, especially when you're both diving different
pieces of crap stroke gear that require you to turn more knobs and levers
than the man behind the curtain in the Wizard of Oz.
<dd> 
<dd>To Mike--I'm sorry you lost a friend.  BUT, I'm even more sorry
that neither of you saw the writing on the wall early enough to stop this
nonsense.  What bothers me even more--and I hope I'm wrong here--is
the fact that you will probably keep on doing the same shit until it
catches up to you.
<dd> 
<dd> 
<dd>Duane<br>
<br>

<dd> </blockquote>
<dd>"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to
get in the water"<font color="#0000FF">
<dd>Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more 
<dd> Web Site 
<a href="http://www.capt-jt.com/"
eudora="autourl">http://www.capt-jt.com/</a>
<dd>Email     captjt@mi*.co*</font>
</dl></u></blockquote><br>

"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get
in the water"<br>
<font color="#0000FF"><u>Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East
Coast & more <br>
 Web Site 
<a href="http://www.capt-jt.com/"
eudora="autourl">http://www.capt-jt.com/</a><br>
Email     captjt@mi*.co*<br>
<br>
</font></u></html>

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