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From: "Isaac Callicrate" <icallicrate@ho*.co*>
To: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: Rhetorical questions for rebreather divers.
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 18:33:27 -0400

All divers are must be willing to accept a certain amount of risk when 
diving.  The wisdom lies in the proper analysis of exactly what and where 
the risk is.  DIR principles have an excellent safety record whereas the 
"choosing to draw your own line" method is very dependant on individuals and 
their education, experience, etc.  For those who have access to RB 
technology to support their mission analyzing the cost/benefit curve is not 
black and white.  Even with extensive support that military, commercial, and 
some other projects are able to provide, diving RBs may never be "safer".  
With very few exceptions most missions and profiles CAN be completed OC.  
Weigh some of the following :

Cost - Consumable parts, Repair parts, Absorbant, Gas, INITIAL INVESTMENT
Profile - Gas volume availability, Restrictions on deco obligation, 
Absorbant times
Thermal - He vs N2, Active vs Passive warmth systems, Loop humidity
Risk management - Training, Bail-outs, Redundancy, Maintenance requirements, 
Standardized and followed procedures
Mission - Exhaust reqs (all, some, or none), Stage gas availability

  All provide varying grey area to consider when choosing RBs.
US military with some other countries following, generally use CCo2R for 
Shallow, SCR for Intermediate, and CCR for Intermed - deep, for missions 
that require their use (EOD/MCM, NSW/SOF etc.)  Commercial RB use is 
primarily restricted to Saturation/Chamber systems and Gas reclaimation for 
deep water Bailout.  Both could benefit from all "Extended Range" dives 
being conducted with RB technology but choose more reliable -read "Safe" - 
systems.  Even a CCo2R has many more failure points and procedure 
requirements than conventional OC SCUBA.
  I see the most common use in recreational mission oriented diving is the 
true "Extended Range" dives.  Dives O/W or Overhead Penetration that cannot 
be cost or environmentally acceptable to use Surface Supplied systems and 
require more stage gas than would be feasible.  Deeper dives, longer 
runtimes, or both combined has led to a requirement for RBs.
  Personal opinion - I think that selling someone on RB technology because 
of some of the less significant reasons (Gas cost, Photo benefits, being the 
only kid on the block with 70s military technology) is similar to someone 
selling an O/W student on EANx because you feel better diving it.  All are 
valid points but before someone puts their life in the hands of having the 
Apollo 13 mission on their back they need to be educated enough to be able 
to make that choice informed of the cost/benefit they are accepting.  Like 
all High Risk activities, if you dont have the money for the proper 
equipment and the time to dedicate to the proper training then you shouldnt 
be doing it.  If anyone has had some outstanding RB training please comment.

>From: "Sean T. Stevenson" <ststev@un*.co*>

>In light of the recent demise of Eric Reichardt, I would like to get the 
>rebreather divers on the list to perform a very simple risk/benefit 
>analysis.  Just ask yourself the following questions:
>
>1)  Can this dive be performed on open circuit?
>
>2)  What advantages are gained by using a closed circuit apparatus?
>
>3)  Are these advantages safety issues, or are they merely 
>convenience/aesthetic concerns?
>
>4)  Do these advantages outweigh the additional risks involved?
>
>
>Personally, if the answer to #1 was yes, I would consider that the end of 
>the debate.  I urge you all to carefully re-evaluate your priorities.
>
>
>-Sean
>
>
>
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