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Terry, why do YOU keep coming back? Who are you? Just a troller? Was there a particular question about Makos you wanted answered? Do you own any scooters? Do you even dive? Did you have something you wanted to contribute to this list, other than "suspecting me" of some special secret Mako knowledge I never claimed? Sum total of my limited Mako knowledge has been clearly expressed, in this very thread. Oh, and by the way, this thread was about the virtues of Gavin scooters versus Silent Submersion, if you'd bothered to read it before you ran to your keyboard. You're just trolling as far as I can tell. Guess I'm a little slow. Usually I assume people want and have something to contribute on these lists, until proven otherwise. Fortunately I'm a good typist, so it's not much effort to take the chance. Of course, ego gets in the way, as always. I suggest if you have anything further you "suspect" me of, let's just take it off-list. Anyone have anything useful they want to say about scooters, that hasn't been covered yet? Cam > From: terry michael <OEA51@go*.co*> > Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 07:31:13 -0700 (PDT) > To: Cam Banks <cam@ca*.co*> > Cc: Techdiver Mailing List <techdiver@aquanaut.com> > Subject: Re: Re: Morons , bullshit and crappy scooters > > Cam, why do you keep coming back? You stated you knew something about the Mako > and I still suspect you really don't. Right now the Mako looks like the better > option within the MOD. However, the Decors are a hold on with your hands ride > on top design but can be set-up to work for wreck diving with about a meter of > cave line and a medium size bolt snap. If you got a problem with that then > let's debate it. Thanks > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Cam Banks"<cam@ca*.co*> > To: "terry michael"<OEA51@go*.co*> > Cc: "Techdiver Mailing List"<techdiver@aquanaut.com> > Date: Sun Sep 02 23:10:15 PDT 2001 > Subject: Re: Morons , bullshit and crappy scooters > >> The point of this (originally non-combative) thread, for me, was to get some >> discussion of the merits of various scooters going. Hence, I threw out some >> of my known issues with the Mako to avoid repetition. If you read that as >> complaining and criticism, well, I'll take that under advisement. >> >> My experience with DPV's is limited to exactly what I said: two Makos I've >> had all kinds of problems with, about which I've learned everything the hard >> way. Anyone who can smarten me up further about these critters will receive >> nothing but thanks. >> >> What's your experience, Terry? Let's hear your dive resume, since you're so >> eager to judge. I'll trade you, one for one. >> >> Since you've dodged all other questions twice now, I'll assume you'll dodge >> the above too. I'll also assume that your answer to the previous questions >> is: no, you don't own any scooters, and no, you don't have anything to >> contribute to the thread. >> >> I do hear an empty can rattling around here, but it's not me. Wonder where >> it could be coming from? >> >> You're welcome. >> >> Cam >> >>> From: terry michael <OEA51@go*.co*> >>> Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2001 19:11:15 -0700 (PDT) >>> To: Cam Banks <cam@ca*.co*> >>> Cc: Techdiver Mailing List <techdiver@aquanaut.com> >>> Subject: Re: Re: Morons , bullshit and crappy scooters >>> >>> Its my opinion that the souse of your criticism is your own lack of >>> experience with all dpvs in general. There are people on this list that >>> actually do know about the Mako and how to dial it in but for some reason >>> have >>> not contributed to this thread. Your constant complaining does nothing for >>> this thread in my opinion. Thanks for the debate. >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: "Cam Banks"<cam@ca*.co*> >>> To: "terry michael"<OEA51@go*.co*> >>> Cc: "Techdiver Mailing List"<techdiver@aquanaut.com> >>> Date: Sun Sep 02 04:24:48 PDT 2001 >>> Subject: Re: Morons , bullshit and crappy scooters >>> >>>> You appear to be a little slow... >>>> >>>> Define where the misinformation is. I stated my personal experiences with >>>> Makos, which is pretty much un-arguable. Most people would also consider >>>> that useful information. Your axe-to-grind may cause your mileage to >>>> vary... >>>> >>>> I'll repeat the question: do you own any scooters? >>>> >>>> Do YOU have something to contribute to the thread? >>>> >>>> Cam >>>> >>>>> From: terry michael <OEA51@go*.co*> >>>>> Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 21:29:54 -0700 (PDT) >>>>> To: Cam Banks <cam@ca*.co*>, "Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com" >>>>> <techdiver@aquanaut.com> >>>>> Subject: Re: Re: Morons , bullshit and crappy scooters >>>>> >>>>> Sorry, but again more worthless misinformation. If you don't know what you >>>>> are >>>>> talking about then please sit down!:-) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: "Cam Banks"<cam@ca*.co*> >>>>> To: "terry michael"<OEA51@go*.co*>, >>>>> "Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com"<techdiver@aquanaut.com> >>>>> Date: Sat Sep 01 19:52:54 PDT 2001 >>>>> Subject: Re: Morons , bullshit and crappy scooters >>>>> >>>>>> What are you talking about? It was a straightforward question, and >>>>>> clearly >>>>>> written as such. Do you own any scooters? >>>>>> >>>>>> Yeah, I have a solution: buy something other than a Mako. That's the >>>>>> limit >>>>>> of my experience. I'm now shopping for something else and trying to >>>>>> figure >>>>>> out what's best. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cam >>>>>> >>>>>>> From: terry michael <OEA51@go*.co*> >>>>>>> Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 19:29:15 -0700 (PDT) >>>>>>> To: Cam Banks <cam@ca*.co*>, Trey <trey@ne*.co*>, >>>>>>> "Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com" <techdiver@aquanaut.com> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Re: Morons , bullshit and crappy scooters >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I know the downsides to the Mako: no access to the leaky motor >>>>>>>> compartment,>oval hull with leaky o-rings, both hands required for good >>>>>>>> control, low >>>>>>>> depth limit (180fsw if you're lucky), difficult to replace battery >>>>>>>> quickly >>>>>>>> with spare, etc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Perhaps you'd care to elaborate? Do you have some solutions or any >>>>>>> information >>>>>>> what so ever or are you just rattling an empty can? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: "Cam Banks"<cam@ca*.co*> >>>>>>> To: "Trey"<trey@ne*.co*>, >>>>>>> "Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com"<techdiver@aquanaut.com> >>>>>>> Date: Sat Sep 01 14:31:46 PDT 2001 >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Morons , bullshit and crappy scooters >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Okay, I'll bite. Please tell us what is wrong with the Silent >>>>>>>> Submersion >>>>>>>> scooter. Some friends and I are actively considering pro-level scooter >>>>>>>> purchases in the next year or so (Have two crappy Makos already, >>>>>>>> obviously). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We have also heard that there is at least a 9-month wait for Gavins, >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> that Trey is the sole source for production. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We also wonder what there is to a scooter, other than a rewound Mako >>>>>>>> motor >>>>>>>> and a cylindrical hull? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I know the downsides to the Mako: no access to the leaky motor >>>>>>>> compartment, >>>>>>>> oval hull with leaky o-rings, both hands required for good control, low >>>>>>>> depth limit (180fsw if you're lucky), difficult to replace battery >>>>>>>> quickly >>>>>>>> with spare, etc. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> All comments welcome. Thank you. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cam >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: trey@ne*.co* (Trey) >>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 21:12:18 -0400 >>>>>>>> To: "Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com" <techdiver@aquanaut.com> >>>>>>>> Subject: Morons , bullshit and crappy scooters >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Will the list of morons who said that there was a web link to GUE which >>>>>>>> stated that 95's were required for classes please show me the link >>>>>>>> again. >>>>>>>> There is no such. You assholes are really getting to be a pain in the >>>>>>>> ass.Why don't you try learning from the pros instead of constantly >>>>>>>> fucking >>>>>>>> with them. None of you pussies dives, none of you pussies has done jack >>>>>>>> shit, and I am really sick of the constant crap surrounding GUE and the >>>>>>>> WKPP. You morons do what we do, then tell us how it is done. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The fact is that nobody but IANTD is stupid enough to have divers dive >>>>>>>> ocean >>>>>>>> with steel tanks and a wetsuit, the fact is that aluminum 80's are the >>>>>>>> tank >>>>>>>> of choice for ocean, 104's are the tank of choice for drysuit cave, and >>>>>>>> aluminum 80's are the tank for wetsuit cave. Florida is a drysuit cave >>>>>>>> dive, >>>>>>>> Mexico is a wetsuit cave dive. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> None of you morons even understand why we do what we do, and I am sick >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> explaining it over and over only to have you screw it up , misinterpret >>>>>>>> it, >>>>>>>> and drivel about it when none of you has the experience to tie my shoes >>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>> JJ's. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'll be glad to pick apart anything the rest of the agencies are doing >>>>>>>> ad >>>>>>>> infinitum, and I will show why what we do is right. Any time any of you >>>>>>>> want >>>>>>>> to argue that, I will make you look like the morons that you so >>>>>>>> obviously >>>>>>>> are. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As for this scooter thread, if anyone wants to know why the silent >>>>>>>> submersion ' is a ghastly piece of crap, I'll be glad to explain that >>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>> well. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> None of you has a clue, trust me - not a fucking clue. What you do and >>>>>>>> what >>>>>>>> we do are galaxies apart. Let me quite Lee Iacocca , "Lead, follow , or >>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>> out of the way". >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> None of you can lead, and I personally don't want you following me and >>>>>>>> screwing is it up, so get out of our way. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ___________________________________________________ >>>>>>> GO.com Mail >>>>>>> Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ___________________________________________________ >>>>> GO.com Mail >>>>> Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >>>>> Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> ___________________________________________________ >>> GO.com Mail >>> Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com >>> >>> >>> >> > > > ___________________________________________________ > GO.com Mail > Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com > > > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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