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It was not you, it was one of the usual complaining detractors. The one
thing that the assholes are succeeding in doing is making JJ paranoid about
publishing, which hurts everyone. What he is doing is putting the stuff
online so it can get weeded out before he goes to print. As you all know, I
save my real information for people who are not assholes and my team. I then
give it out freely, and if I make a typo, my logic is so sound that it is
apparent and not an issue. JJ is trying to teach to an audience he can not
see and is trying to cover all the bases. I am only interested in helping
people who want help, not necessarily those who need it.

NOBODY has the wealth of information and practical knowledge that we do.
Notice that those who want to fight that are all either dive instructors for
some bullshit agency, or the kind of people they direct beer commercials at:
fuckups who think diving will make them a cool guy.

I am not talking to you , Jim, but you and the rest missed the whole point
of this: you all said, "it IS there", not it "WAS" there. You saw how fast I
made myself right - the time it took me to type the message. It was gone in
60 seconds, as they say. We don't do fucked up things, that is the realm of
the other agencies. We DIR or not at all. I say "we" because GUE came from
WKPP and JJ is my 11 year dive partner. I have nothing to do with GUE,
Halcyon, EE or anything else. I am the Director of the WKPP, and that is it
as far as my associations go. GUE does and teaches what we ( JJ and I )
developed at WKPP. Find that anyplace else, with or without typos.

Read and IANTD or TDI manual and then get back to me about good and bad. Be
sure to get a fresh box of crayons, first.

 -----Original Message-----
From: Jim Holcomb [mailto:jimholcomb@x-*.co*]
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 9:15 PM
To: Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com
Subject: Re: Morons , bullshit and crappy scooters


  Were you talking to me?  Just in case you were,  I had absolutely nothing
to do with the thread about that shit.  I rarely ever post on here.  I do
exactly like you say and keep my mouth shut and learn from the pros. I only
responded when you came out with the shit about everybody being liars about
the link.  The link WAS there.  As far as harassing somebody - fuck that -
find a harassing post on here from me. My apologies for not notifying GUE of
a typo on their website - I just assumed someone from GUE was following the
thread.

  Jim Holcomb
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Trey
    To: Jim Holcomb ; Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com
    Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 6:40 PM
    Subject: RE: Morons , bullshit and crappy scooters


    If you morons knew it was bullshit, then you should have written to GUE
or JJ, but no, you have to be assholes, and I will keep reminding you that
you can not tie my shoes and you really don't know jack shit about DIR or
you would not even think about that bullshit. You guys don't get it, and
that is a FACT, as you say.

    Shut the fuck up and try learning from the pros, not harassing them like
cocker spaniels.

    [trey]
     iginal Message-----
    From: Jim Holcomb [mailto:jimholcomb@x-*.co*]
    Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 10:31 PM
    To: Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com
    Subject: Re: Morons , bullshit and crappy scooters


      I'll only comment on what I know about:

      FACT: The GUE site DID say that because I read it.
      BUT: I kinda figured it was a typo.
      AND: I also kinda figured that a couple were just using it to jerk
your chain.

      I'm one of those "pussy weenie divers" you often refer to.  Haven't
been full cave all that long.  BUT,
      I have been an outspoken advocate of the DIR philosophy amongst
recreational divers and my fellow "pussy weenie" cave divers.  With that
said,  this post sounded like someone needed to change their tampon.

      Jim Holcomb

        ----- Original Message -----
        From: Trey
        To: Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com
        Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 9:12 PM
        Subject: Morons , bullshit and crappy scooters


        Will the list of morons who said that there was a web link to GUE
which stated that 95's were required for classes please show me the link
again. There is no such. You assholes are really getting to be a pain in the
ass.Why don't you try learning from the pros instead of constantly fucking
with them. None of you pussies dives, none of you pussies has done jack
shit, and I am really sick of the constant crap surrounding GUE and the
WKPP. You morons do what we do, then tell us how it is done.

        The fact is that nobody but IANTD is stupid enough to have divers
dive ocean with steel tanks and a wetsuit, the fact is that aluminum 80's
are the tank of choice for ocean, 104's are the tank of choice for drysuit
cave, and aluminum 80's are the tank for wetsuit cave. Florida is a drysuit
cave dive, Mexico is a wetsuit cave dive.

        None of you morons even understand why we do what we do, and I am
sick of explaining it over and over only to have you screw it up ,
misinterpret it, and drivel about it when none of you has the experience to
tie my shoes or JJ's.

        I'll be glad to pick apart anything the rest of the agencies are
doing ad infinitum, and I will show why what we do is right. Any time any of
you want to argue that, I will make you look like the morons that you so
obviously are.

        As for this scooter thread, if anyone wants to know why the silent
submersion ' is a ghastly piece of crap, I'll be glad to explain that as
well.

        None of you has a clue, trust me - not a fucking clue. What you do
and what we do are galaxies apart. Let me quite Lee Iacocca , "Lead, follow
, or get out of the way".

        None of you can lead, and I personally don't want you following me
and screwing is it up, so get out of our way.










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size=3D2>It was=20
not you, it was one of the usual complaining detractors. The one thing =
that the=20
assholes are succeeding in doing is making JJ paranoid about publishing, =
which=20
hurts everyone. What he is doing is putting the stuff online so it can =
get=20
weeded out before he goes to print. As you all know, I save my real =
information=20
for people who are not assholes and my team. I then give it out freely, =
and if I=20
make a typo, my logic is so sound that it is apparent and not an issue. =
JJ is=20
trying to teach to an audience he can not see and is trying to cover all =
the=20
bases. I am only interested in helping people who want help, not =
necessarily=20
those who need it.</FONT></SPAN></DIV><SPAN=20
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<DIV><BR><FONT size=3D2><SPAN class=3D194350312-02092001><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff>NOBODY has the wealth of information and practical =
knowledge=20
that we do. Notice that those who want to fight that are all either dive =

instructors for some bullshit agency, or the kind of people=20
they direct beer commercials at: fuckups who think diving will make =
them a=20
cool guy. </FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D194350312-02092001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><SPAN class=3D194350312-02092001>I am not talking
to =
you , Jim,=20
but you and the rest missed the whole point of this: you all said, "it =
IS=20
there", not it "WAS" there. You saw how fast I made myself right - the =
time it=20
took me to type the message. It was gone in 60 seconds, as they say. We =
don't do=20
fucked up things, that is the realm of the other agencies. We DIR or not =
at all.=20
I say "we" because GUE came from WKPP and JJ is my 11 year dive partner. =
I have=20
nothing to do with GUE, Halcyon, EE or anything else. I am the Director =
of the=20
WKPP, and that is it as far as my associations go. GUE does and teaches =
what we=20
( JJ and I ) developed at WKPP. Find that anyplace else, with or without =

typos.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D194350312-02092001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><SPAN class=3D194350312-02092001>Read and IANTD or
=
TDI manual=20
and then get back to me about good and bad. Be sure to get a fresh box =
of=20
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2><SPAN =
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D194350312-02092001> </SPAN>-----Original=20
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Jim Holcomb=20
[mailto:jimholcomb@x-*.co*]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, September 01, =
2001=20
9:15 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: =
Morons ,=20
bullshit and crappy scooters<BR><BR></DIV></FONT></FONT>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Were you talking to me?  Just in case you =

  were,  I had absolutely nothing to do with the thread about that=20
  shit.  I rarely ever post on here.  I do exactly like you =
say=20
  and keep my mouth shut and learn from the pros. I only =
responded=20
  when you came out with the shit about everybody being liars about the=20
  link.  The link WAS there.  As far as harassing somebody - =
fuck that=20
  - find a harassing post on here from me. My apologies for not =
notifying GUE of=20
  a typo on their website - I just assumed someone from GUE was =
following the=20
  thread.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Jim Holcomb</FONT></DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
  style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
    <DIV=20
    style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
    <A title=3Dtrey@ne*.co* href=3D"mailto:trey@ne*.co*">Trey</A> =
</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Djimholcomb@x-*.co*=20
    href=3D"mailto:jimholcomb@x-*.co*">Jim Holcomb</A> ; <A=20
    title=3Dtechdiver@aquanaut.com=20
    href=3D"mailto:Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com">Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com</A> =
</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, September
01, =
2001 6:40=20
    PM</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Morons , =
bullshit and=20
    crappy scooters</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D310073722-01092001><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>If=20
    you morons knew it was bullshit, then you should have written to GUE =
or JJ,=20
    but no, you have to be assholes, and I will keep reminding you that =
you can=20
    not tie my shoes and you really don't know jack shit about DIR or =
you would=20
    not even think about that bullshit. You guys don't get it, and that =
is a=20
    FACT, as you say.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D310073722-01092001><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
    size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D310073722-01092001></SPAN><FONT =
face=3DTahoma><SPAN=20
    class=3D310073722-01092001><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Shut the fuck=20
    up and try learning from the pros, not harassing them like cocker =
spaniels.=20
    </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV><BR><FONT size=3D2><SPAN
class=3D310073722-01092001><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
    color=3D#0000ff>[trey] </FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D310073722-01092001> </SPAN>iginal=20
    Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Jim Holcomb=20
    [mailto:jimholcomb@x-*.co*]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, September =
01,=20
    2001 10:31 PM<BR><B>To:</B> =
Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:=20
    Morons , bullshit and crappy
scooters<BR><BR></DIV></FONT></FONT>
    <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I'll only comment on what I know =
about:</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>FACT: The GUE site DID say that because I =
read=20
      it.</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>BUT: I kinda figured it was a =
typo.</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>AND: I also kinda figured that a couple =
were just=20
      using it to jerk your chain.</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I'm one of those "pussy weenie divers" you =
often=20
      refer to.  Haven't been full cave all that long.  BUT,=20
      </FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I have been an outspoken advocate of the =
DIR=20
      philosophy amongst recreational divers and my fellow "pussy =
weenie" cave=20
      divers.  With that said,  this post sounded like someone =
needed=20
      to change their tampon.</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Jim Holcomb</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV> </DIV>
      <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
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        <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- =
</DIV>
        <DIV=20
        style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
        <A title=3Dtrey@ne*.co* =
href=3D"mailto:trey@ne*.co*">Trey</A> </DIV>
        <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dtechdiver@aquanaut.com=20
        =
href=3D"mailto:Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com">Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com</A> </DIV>
        <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, August =
30, 2001=20
        9:12 PM</DIV>
        <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Morons , =
bullshit and=20
        crappy scooters</DIV>
        <DIV><BR></DIV>
        <DIV>
        <P><FONT size=3D2>Will the list of morons who said that there =
was a web=20
        link to GUE which stated that 95's were required for classes =
please show=20
        me the link <SPAN =
class=3D733330401-31082001>a</SPAN>gain.<SPAN=20
        class=3D733330401-31082001> </SPAN>There is no such. You =
assholes are=20
        really getting to be a pain in the ass.Why don't you try =
learning from=20
        the pros instead of constantly fucking with<SPAN=20
        class=3D733330401-31082001> </SPAN>them. No<SPAN=20
        class=3D733330401-31082001>ne</SPAN> of yo<SPAN=20
        class=3D733330401-31082001>u</SPAN> pussies dives, non<SPAN=20
        class=3D733330401-31082001>e</SPAN> of you pussies has done =
j<SPAN=20
        class=3D733330401-31082001>a</SPAN>ck shit,<SPAN =
class=3D733330401-31082001>=20
        </SPAN>and I am really sick of the constant<SPAN=20
        class=3D733330401-31082001> </SPAN>crap surrounding GUE and the =
WKPP.=20
        You<SPAN class=3D733330401-31082001> </SPAN></FONT><FONT =
size=3D2>morons do=20
        what we do, then tell us how it is done.</FONT></P>
        <P><FONT size=3D2>The fact is that nobody but IANTD is
st<SPAN=20
        class=3D733330401-31082001>u</SPAN>pid enough to have divers =
dive<SPAN=20
        class=3D733330401-31082001> </SPAN>ocean with steel tanks and a =
wetsuit,=20
        the fact is that aluminum 80's are<SPAN =
class=3D733330401-31082001>=20
        </SPAN>the tank of choice for ocean, 104's are the tank of =
choice for=20
        drysuit cave,<SPAN class=3D733330401-31082001> </SPAN>and =
aluminum 80's=20
        are the tank for wetsuit cave. Florida is a drysuit cave<SPAN=20
        class=3D733330401-31082001> </SPAN>dive, Mexico is a wetsuit =
cave=20
        dive.</FONT></P>
        <P><FONT size=3D2>Non<SPAN
class=3D733330401-31082001>e</SPAN> =
of you=20
        mo<SPAN class=3D733330401-31082001>r</SPAN>ons even understand =
why we do=20
        what we do, and I am sick of<SPAN class=3D733330401-31082001>=20
        </SPAN>explaining it over and over only to have you screw it up =
,=20
        misinterpr<SPAN class=3D733330401-31082001>e</SPAN>t
it,<SPAN=20
        class=3D733330401-31082001> </SPAN>and drivel about it when none =
of you=20
        has the experience to tie my shoes or<SPAN =
class=3D733330401-31082001>=20
        </SPAN>JJ's.</FONT></P>
        <P><FONT size=3D2>I'll be glad to pick apart anything the rest =
of the=20
        agencies are doing ad<SPAN class=3D733330401-31082001> =
</SPAN>infinitum,=20
        and I will show why wh<SPAN class=3D733330401-31082001>a</SPAN>t =
we do is=20
        right. Any time any of yo<SPAN =
class=3D733330401-31082001>u</SPAN>=20
        wan<SPAN class=3D733330401-31082001>t </SPAN>to argue that, I =
will make=20
        you look like the morons th<SPAN =
class=3D733330401-31082001>a</SPAN>t=20
        yo<SPAN class=3D733330401-31082001>u</SPAN> so obv<SPAN=20
        class=3D733330401-31082001>io</SPAN>usly<SPAN =
class=3D733330401-31082001>=20
        </SPAN></FONT><FONT size=3D2>are.</FONT></P>
        <P><FONT size=3D2>As for this scooter thread, if anyone wants to =
know why=20
        th<SPAN class=3D733330401-31082001>e</SPAN> silent<SPAN=20
        class=3D733330401-31082001> </SPAN>submersion ' is a ghastly =
piece of=20
        crap, I'll be glad to explain that as<SPAN =
class=3D733330401-31082001>=20
        </SPAN>well.</FONT></P>
        <P><SPAN class=3D733330401-31082001><FONT size=3D2>None of you
=
has a clue,=20
        trust me - not a fucking clue. What you do and what we do=20
        </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=3D733330401-31082001><FONT =
size=3D2>are galaxies=20
        apart. Let me quite Lee Iacocca , "Lead, follow , or get out of =
the=20
        way".</FONT></SPAN></P>
        <P><SPAN class=3D733330401-31082001><FONT size=3D2>None of you
=
can lead, and=20
        I personally don't want you following me and screwing is it =
up,=20
        </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=3D733330401-31082001><FONT
size=3D2>so =
get out of=20
        our way. </FONT></SPAN></P>
        <P><SPAN class=3D733330401-31082001><FONT =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </P>
        <P><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </P>
        <P><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </P>
        <P><FONT=20
size=3D2></FONT> </P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BL
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