First of all, moron, who had built some 200 of them that are still in
service an still covered under warranty and still are setting all the
records? What makes you think we don't know what we are doing when nobody
else seems to be able to get there?

Mine are PVC for several good reasons, none of which you need to know. They
are otherwise the way they are for good reasons you do not need to know.
Anyone who does need to know has one or will talk to somebody who does and
get one. However, asshole, you might want to ask when the last time "sewer
pipe" came apart in a building or house? The bond is chemical, not "glue",
and in some cases it is welded and bonded.

The ss is still a total kluge. The inside compartment motor compartment is
the stupidest thing I have ever seen and it will not hold its integrity.
They have tried all kinds of fixes but it will not work the way they do it.
That is all I will say about that part, I don't want them figuring it out.
The wiring is a disgrace. It is cheap crap kluged together with bullshit
connectors in every position.

The motorcycle handle thing is the dumbest invention yet, and is worthless ,
causes all kinds of problems.

The hdpe is too soft. It needs to be really thick ( they have the bodies an
inch thick ) and it still flexes all over the place. Screws pull right out
of it. All of these different plastics have their advantages and drawbacks,
and I actually could make one with certain parts HDPE, and do it right, but
there is no need. Most people are fooled by the end taper on that thing,
whereas the problem with that is that this leaves the motor too close to the
body, and the fact is at the speeds we run, there is no need for any
tapering. There are other ratios that determine drag in these designs, and
again, I will not discuss them.

Now, whose scooters hold the European and World cave distance record, whose
scooters are in the hands of the most number of dive teams who really do
anything, whose scooters have been backed fully for nine years, whose
scooters are the best performing, whose scooters are designed by real
engineers and people who really know this stuff, and whose are in the hands
of the strokes?

By the way, why is it that you weenies can not use your real name when
lying? Are you that scared of me, or are you just another resentful little
liar?

-----Original Message-----
From: givemeabreak george [mailto:georgegivemeabreak@ho*.co*]
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 3:53 PM
To: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: George has done it again!



>Trey wrote:
>None of you morons even understand why we do what we do, and I am sick of
>explaining it over and over only to have you screw it up , misinterpret it,
>and drivel about it when none of you has the experience to tie my shoes or
>JJ's.
>As for this scooter thread, if anyone wants to know why the silent
>submersion ' is a ghastly piece of crap, I'll be glad to explain that as
>well.
>

Well.....yes George I would like to hear why the Silent Submersion is a
piece of crap since your scooters are made of sewer pipe and glue. The only
thing in sewer pipe is crap. Who's the moron here?


> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
>Trey wrote:
>
>Bullshit - how many have YOU built? Anyone out there who has a problem with
>one of mine speak up. There is a far better solution and I use it. You are
>really too much.
>
>In reply Doug Chapman wrote:
>George,
>It is my business (and I'm damn good at it) building systems that are used
>in ocean service that in all reality dwarf the technical challenge of your
>scooters. I don't build dive scooters, but I have designed and built many
>remote tethered and untethered deep ocean marine vehicles including ROVs,
>AUVs,manned submersibles, towed acoustic sound sources, submarine-launched
>probe systems, submarine systems, various oceanographic instrumentations,
>to
>name a few blah blah blah.  'Don't think for a second that a dive scooter
>is
>technically challenging to everyone.
>Perhaps you think your scooter is the most technically challenging ocean
>system in the whole wide world? I hope not; if you do then you are a
>fool,I've seen your scooters in their smallest detail. They are OK, simple,
>reliable, low cost - great for their application. 'But you could still
>learn
>a thing or two. The corrosion system I described works and has been working
>for years; perhaps yours does too.
>Fine! Let's hear it. You should really learn about people before you assume
>too much and get over your head,technically speaking.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
George you really put your foot in your big alligator mouth that time.
Since you are the bigtime expert on EVERYTHING from Apex regs to Zebra
mussels, tell us your brillant Jerry Lewis solution to the corrosion
problem. Also please tell us how much expertise you have in designing and
building remote tethered and untethered deep ocean marine vehicles including
ROVs, AUVs,manned submersibles, towed acoustic sound sources,
submarine-launched probe systems, submarine systems, and various
oceanographic instrumentations.
Please tell the US goverment how to do it so we can save millions in R&D.
You really are a moron.
Later.
Give me a break Einstein.


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