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From: Art.Paltz@R2*.CO*
To: techdiver@aquanaut.com, vbtech@ci*.co*
Subject: RE: Silent Submersion Vs Dacor - Jetboots
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 18:02:36 -0400
Or 4 Dacor/Apollo's.  That way you could strap one to each leg and one to
each arm....  The ones on your arms could act like "Bow Thrusters"......

Art.


 -----Original Message-----
From: 	Geoff Kelafant [mailto:kelafant@rr*.ne*] 
Sent:	Saturday, August 25, 2001 11:47 AM
To:	Jim Cobb; ben@je*.co*; techdiver@aquanaut.com; VB Tech
Subject:	Re: Silent Submersion Vs Dacor - Jetboots

From the Jetboots site:

"Jetboots are designed to withstand anything you throw at them, whether it
is deep cave penetration or a large scale search and rescue operation. A
comfortable detachable battery pack can be used for dives anywhere between
the surface and 130 foot depth. For deeper operations a hard battery pack
straps on to the tank. This hard pack and a small modification to the
cabling allows operation to depths in excess of 300 feet."

I know we have many experts on the list.  Could the person or people who
performed "deep cave penetration or a large scale search and rescue
operation" please post their glowing testimonial(s) for all of us to see?
Or perhaps the manufacturer could do this.

Could someone tell me where to buy the dual calf mount adapters for my
scooters?  For what this thing costs i could buy two Gavins or three Makos
and just strap them to my legs.

Geoff Kelafant


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Cobb" <cobber@ci*.co*>
To: <ben@je*.co*>; <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; "VB Tech"
<vbtech@ci*.co*>
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 7:38 AM
Subject: Re: Silent Submersion Vs Dacor - Jetboots


heh heh heh, heheheh HAHAHAHA AAAAHHAHAHHAHAHAHA!!!!

sniff sniff... Christ, coffee all over the laptop.

Ben, you have absolutely no idea what we do around wrecks, do you? I won't
even comment on using this rig in a cave.

Seriously, a scooter has to be ditchable, you cannot strap batteries and
shit all over yourself like this and be in a technical environment. You will
wind up Muffatonied.

Good luck in recreational market, that should be no problem, those pinheads
on rec.scuba will buy anything.

   Jim
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> From: "Ben Mazin" <ben@je*.co*>
> Reply-To: <ben@je*.co*>
> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 21:45:01 -0500
> To: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> Subject: Re: Silent Submersion Vs Dacor - Jetboots
>
>
> Since someone mentioned Jetboots, I thought I'd jump in.  My name is Ben
> Mazin.  I designed, tested, and am now selling Jetboots.  I've lurked on
this
> mailing list for a while.
>
> Jetboots are a brand new (and in my mind, pretty innovative) way to move
> around underwater.  They consist of two leg mounted propulsion units, a
> battery pack (either hard or soft), and a control unit.  You can see
pictures
> and get more details on our web site: http://www.jetboots.com
>
> Jetboots weight 20 pounds (-8 to -12 lbs (ditchable) depending on the
specific
> setup), have a continuously variable speed control, and a burn time of
around
> 35 minutes at full bore.  Maximum thrust is around 40 lbs - enough to move
me
> (200 lbs) in a backplate and wings at around 2.5 knots.  These reason we
can
> make this work with such low weight and high power is the combination of
NiMH
> batteries and extremely efficient brushless motors.  This high tech
approach
> is also unfortunately reflected in the price.
>
> I do not think Jetboots can replace something like the gavin scooter for
an
> aggressive mission.  They just don't have the battery life (although we
are
> looking into battery packs that can be swapped underwater).  They may have
> applications as a lightweight backup propulsion system for these types of
> dives - I'll leave that up to the cave gurus on here to figure out.
>
> There are a lot of dives where Jetboots are great to have.  These are
mainly
> dives that require your hands - operating a camera, for instance.  Since
they
> are so light (and securely attached to your body) it is easy to forget
they
> are there (until you turn them on, of course).  I use them on all my open
> water dives - flying through the water is its own reward.
>
> I know some of you will be skeptical, so I'd be thrilled if someone from
the
> list (we are based in Southern California) wants to come with me on a
Jetboots
> dive and write up a review for the list.  Email me (ben@je*.co*) to
set
> something up.
>
> As to the DIRness of Jetboots, all I can say is that they are very
> streamlined, don't negatively affect your buoyancy or trim, and don't
really
> seem to get snagged on things (see the pictures of me going through dense
> kelp).  The battery pack can be easily disconnected and dumped if
something
> malfunctions horribly.
>
> Ben Mazin
> President, MST
> (626)449-1960
>
>
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