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From: "Geoff Kelafant" <kelafant@rr*.ne*>
To: <ben@je*.co*>, <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Subject: Re: Silent Submersion Vs Dacor - Jetboots
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 13:57:50 -0500
> I'm not aiming these toward the hard core tech/wreck set, but I felt it
was important to post a description since someone else mentioned Jetboots.
>
> There are more failure points on Jetboots because they are more complex
than scooters, but they have been engineered to be fault tolerant.  Unlike a
scooter, you can disconnect the power source while underwater - this means
that the most dangerous failure mode of Jetboots is that they stop
functioning (you of course wear fins with Jetboots).  Jetboots might not be
the best propulsion system for a deep cave or net-covered wreck, but they
are fun and do open up possibilities for dives that require propulsion and
hands-free operation.  We have also had significant interest from the
various militaries and from divers with certain physical handicaps.
>


Then how come you have goofy statements like:

> "Jetboots are designed to withstand anything you throw at them, whether it
> is deep cave penetration or a large scale search and rescue operation. A
> comfortable detachable battery pack can be used for dives anywhere between
> the surface and 130 foot depth. For deeper operations a hard battery pack
> straps on to the tank. This hard pack and a small modification to the
> cabling allows operation to depths in excess of 300 feet."


on your website?

Hmm... deep cave penetration, operation to depths in excess of 300 feet.

I believe YOU are the one making these statements, not someone on this list.

Just how far and how deep did you get in a cave during the design and
testing?  With a burn time of 35 minutes (as per your website) i imagine it
must have been several thousand feet at a couple hundred feet of depth.  And
I assume you tested the boots while wearing double 95/104/120 tanks, etc in
full cave configuration just to see how well they would work, although for
many of us a single 80 would probably be sufficient given the astounding
range.

It's pretty easy to change a web page, you know - it's not an engineering
challenge like your JetBoots.  Perhaps you should have just stayed a lurker
or at least cleaned up your act prior to announcing your product on the
list.

btw - i'm still waiting for someone to own up to this elaborate troll/hoax.
It's actually pretty good for this list - no references to penises,
bestiality, tits, etc.


Geoff Kelafant

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben Mazin" <ben@je*.co*>
To: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 2:23 AM
Subject: Re: Silent Submersion Vs Dacor - Jetboots


> >I'm in SoCal saw the site and read all the material and looked at all
>the pictures. For the life of me I can't see HOW in the hell you could
>KEEP from getting tangeled in kelp let alone fishing line like on >wrecks
and such.
>
> There are no sharp edges to catch on - kelp slides right off.
Entanglement is a hazard in almost all diving situations, but I haven't
found Jetboots to significatly increase the amount I get tangled while
diving.
>
> >I'd say they might be FUN BUT I'd never even try them let alone use
> >them in anything over 25 feet just in case. I can see many potential
>failure points esp for the more aggressive Tech/Wreck style diving >THIS
group is all about.
>
> I'm not aiming these toward the hard core tech/wreck set, but I felt it
was important to post a description since someone else mentioned Jetboots.
>
> There are more failure points on Jetboots because they are more complex
than scooters, but they have been engineered to be fault tolerant.  Unlike a
scooter, you can disconnect the power source while underwater - this means
that the most dangerous failure mode of Jetboots is that they stop
functioning (you of course wear fins with Jetboots).  Jetboots might not be
the best propulsion system for a deep cave or net-covered wreck, but they
are fun and do open up possibilities for dives that require propulsion and
hands-free operation.  We have also had significant interest from the
various militaries and from divers with certain physical handicaps.
>
> Ben Mazin
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