Karla the question you need to ask is "do I want to see 35." At the rate you
are going this won't be the case. Listen to JT here, he knoweth of what he
speaketh.

And END of 60' is scary? You really need to explain this one to me. Now an
END of 150, *that's* is scary. Current is just one of those things you deal
with, and with proper planning no more a problem than low vis. A scooter is
just a tool, like a wreck reel or liftbag, nothing more. I think of them as
an underwater taxi, getting me to parts of the wreck which is out of the
crowd. They also can move a great deal of sand to find stuff.

And if  you want to do yourself in please don't do it diving. My insurance
is bad enough as it gives the sport a bad name. If you are looking for
sympathy then go out and get AIDS,  you will get plenty of support and plus
meet your personal goals. I think you can even buy dope legally when you are
afflicted, that takes care of the nitrogen buzz.

Other than that I can't add much more than what JT is so eloquently telling
you in as nice a way as possible here.

   Jim
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> From: Capt JT <captjt@mi*.co*>
> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 15:31:54 -0400
> To: Dogtrner1@ao*.co*, techdiver@aquanaut.com
> Cc: vbtech@ci*.co*
> Subject: Re: Ooh ooh, Karla listen up...
> 
> Scroll down...
> 
> At 02:25 PM 8/17/01 -0400, Dogtrner1@ao*.co* wrote:
>> JT,
>> 
>> Will try to actually get this post in the mail to you.  Computer went down
>> the last time I tried.
> 
> I will do it for you and put it on our list as well, this will be my last
> answer to you, I am going diving for a few days.....
> 
> 
>> RE:  Hardheadedness.  you bet.  That is why I have survived being shot, gang
>> raped, beaten within an inch of my life, and MS.  I am, however, always
>> willing to listen, as long as the speaker doesn't attempt to alienate, or
>> pretend that they are god.  Which you haven't done, btw, to your credit.
> 
> There is a big difference between hardheaded and willpower, willpower
> helped you in the other things, being hardheaded will be your down fall in
> diving.... There is only one God and he does not need this list....
> 
> 
>> RE: Amount of time diving.  If I had been diving for 5-10 years with my
>> current amount of dives, there is not a single person out there who would say
>> a word.  Period.  It is not the amount of time that you spend diving, but
>> rather the quality of your diving.  I am extremely comfortable in the water,
>> diving doubles, diving with ponies, ect.....not scooters---altho, I have
>> played with them in shallow water.  I am comfortable with my liftbags, line
>> reels, ect.....I do not panic, I do not stress out in the water----doesn't
>> accomplish a thing.  Course, I don't do that in any aspect of life.  I am
>> very relaxed, for the most part, realizing that nothing is worth my
>> mental/physical health.
> 
> I would agree with some here, but you cannot do enough dives in ONE year to
> become a good techdiver capable of helping a buddy or yourself in a CF
> during a techdive and they have happened,do happen, and will happen to
> every diver...
> 
> 
>> RE:  Diving in general.  I am pretty well at my limit regarding depths.
>> 150-180ft.
>> I will consider deeper in a year or two.  But probably not.  I will not dive
>> helium for dives shallower than 150ft.   Period.  Not necessary.  Now, I
>> realize Irvine has an END of 60 ft, but to me that is just plain damn scary!
> 
> I saw my first diving death on a 160ft dive, a 24yr old young man on air.
> He did not have a clue and neither do you....
> 
> 
>> RE: Types of dives I do, and will not do, or call.  I am in this to have fun.
>> Not work my ass off....not that it couldn't use some work.....Grin.
>> However, I will not dive in currents, or cold water.  Physical health is the
>> reason.  Nor will I take up scooters.  I will simply either drift it, or wait
>> another day.  I called a dive on the Rodeo the other day. 2 knot currents.
>> Not worth it to me.  Period.  There will always be another day to dive, but
>> you may not have another day to die.
> 
> The reason you do not dive currents is because you do not know how, the
> answer for currents is to not fight it, you will lose.... use a scooter
> that will help.... but you do not need current to die... the stress of
> gear, the depth, and the dive, along with your physical health problems are
> the true cause of your fatigue after the dive that takes you all day to
> recover from....
> 
> 
>> RE: Women VS Men.  Actually I will tend to listen more to men than women.  I
>> don't have a whole hell of alot of respect for most of the women that I know.
>> They are pretty much gossipy wimps who would rather let a man carry their
>> tanks, than risk breaking a nail.
> 
> Men like women, we carry tanks to get them to like us, women let us do it
> because they like the attention, you are not listening to the men on this
> list, but you like the attention on it....
> 
> 
>> RE:  Respect for other divers.  I have absolutely no respect for Irvine.
>> Cobb, Chris, yourself, are ok.  But hell, I still haven't had a legitamate
>> answer to questions I put out, so why should I listen?
> 
> Most of your questions have little bearing on diving skill or how to.... I
> do not have any physical problems, yet I use a scooter when I can, I see
> more of the wrecks, those that don't often ask what was at the other end. I
> went from one end of the Doria to the other in one dive, saw the whole
> thing.....
> 
> 
>> RE: Agencies.  I am IANTD certified.  I am neither for, nor against IANTD.
>> There are good and bad to each and every organization.  I am however, for Bob
>> Sheridan, and his experience and his teaching ability.
> 
> I am against bad instructors, if Bob does not straighten you out, he is a
> bad one in my books.... his reputation is on the line with the crap you put
> on this list, is that how much you like him and are for him....
> 
> 
>> RE: Life in general:)  Life is short.  I may not live to see 60.  I am in my
>> late 30's now.  I don't have a whole lot of time to see and do what I want to
>> see and do, so I will do it with gusto and enthusiasim.  If I die diving,
>> then well, I at least die a) clean  and b) doing something I truly love to
>> do.  I am on the water daily, and hope and pray that is were I meet my final
>> end.
> 
> Fine, you go die diving, get on a boat by yourself, no buddy , no friends,
> no capt and crew... Because if they are there and you die diving, it will
> effect them all.... been there, seen it....
> 
> 
>> I have no problem with DIR.  I have a problem with Irvine.  I have no problem
>> with IANTD.  I have a problem with some instructors within IANTD.  I have
>> seriousl problems with PADI, period:)
>> 
>> I have no problem with learning, but teach me, don't brow beat me.
> 
> I do not teach, I suggest and you have already rejected my suggestion....
> 
> 
>> Now, when is your next trip down this way?????
>> 
>> Bob had a suggestion for a cool tech dive---not deep.  Drift through the
>> Rodeo 25, the Mary St. Phillips, and the Outboard Mariner Barge and then into
>> a reef.  Bout an hour bottom time, would have to figure the deco.  I
>> personally think it would be an awesome dive.
> 
> The next time I come down will be after the first of the year, the dives
> will be way to deep for most  and you can't go to watch.... We will do some
> other stuff, but that is also to deep for you, if we have time we will work
> in the other stuff I'll let you know....
> 
> JT
> 
> 
>> Later,
>> Karla
> 
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> water"
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