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Hi Dean, I don't know how you got the bee up your dry suit, but you're way, way off base on this one. I was trying to politely give Mark a chance to realize that he had made a mistake about the inflator hose routing with the DIR configuration. I don't know what set you off, but you had better make sure your mind is engaged before putting your mouth (or keyboard) into gear. :-)) You say << ... No one has any business tech diving and/or in steel doubles in a wetsuit, that is bullshit. You CANNOT dive a balanced rig in a wetsuit ... >> My statement had nothing whatever to do with steel tanks, aluminum tanks, Kevlar tanks, graphite tanks, brass tanks or any other kind of tanks. Where did you get the idea that it did? You seem to have a fertile imagination. Also, your statement is simply wrong. I choose not to say it any softer. You are just plain wrong. You are not a spokesman for DIR and I get tired of your professing to be an expert. You are not. You are a classic zealot lemming. You have learned a little bit and now you want to tell the world everything about technical diving and DIR. Well, cool it fella. I dive in the Yucatan. I cave dive in Quintana Roo and I teach trimix diving in the Caribbean, commonly deeper than 300 feet. The water temperature is 78 to 83 degrees and the visibility is commonly around 100 feet. I dive in a wetsuit and double Aluminum 80s. I have around 2,500 dives, well over half of which are in an overhead environment or deeper than 200 feet. WHO ARE YOU TO TELL ME that I cannot dive safely without a dry suit. I do not get cold after teaching in the caves for four hours. Tell me again << .... you cannot stay sufficiently warm in a wetsuit on long dives for effective/efficient deco. >> Where did you get your infinite wisdom without even knowing the temperature of the water in which I dive? Perhaps you need to adhere to the advice sometimes put out on this list and try taking the cotton out of your ears and putting it into your mouth. :-)) I have a TLS350 but certainly don't need to use it in the Yucatan. As far as diving a balanced rig is concerned, perhaps you ought to take a course or two to learn what you're talking about before spouting out. You can learn a great deal on the net, but eventually you need to get some real training and actually get in the water. Weight can be dropped incrementally from packets if necessary in an emergency. Even the TDI course on Decompression Procedures or the PADI Apprentice Tec Deep course would obviously teach you a great deal. And we're certainly not talking about advanced technical diving at this level. I think that perhaps you need to take the three question introductory exam that is sometimes used to qualify students for certain levels of diving. Your answers may be quite enlightening. Are you ready? OK, here goes. Question 1) When people around you need to get your attention, do they usually .... A) Quietly call you "Sir" or "Madame". B) Shout "YO" as loud as they can followed by your name. C) Whack you between the eyes with some large piece of building material. Question 2) What is the most important thing that you do each day with your head? A) Develop solutions to unique problems that are plaguing mankind. B) Try to keep from screwing up things at work or the asylum. C) Pound nails and smash empty beer cans. Question 3) When you have a few hours of free time, do you ... A) Read Shakespeare, Tolstoy or Emerson while listening to Wagner or Tchaikovsky on a quad stereo. B) Watch Gilligan's Island reruns on TV while belching between slugs of beer and bites of pizza. C) Cling to a rock as plankton-rich seawater flows through your palate. Now after you have given your B) and C) answers, I'd like to ask you the same question we discuss in some of my classes. You say << The other stroke solution that is sometimes applied here is redundant BC/wings which are also a ridiculous CF. >> Although I am certainly not recommending this, but could you please grace me with your infinite wisdom explaining the "ridiculous CF" when redundant bladder wings are used but one of the inflators is not connected to an LP hose but simply stowed out of the way for possible emergency oral use only. I'd be interested in your "expert" analysis of this configuration. I know the DIR opinion of this, but I'm asking for YOUR analysis. Let's see how much you really know. So Dean, I suggest that you save your pennies until you can take some GUE (or other) technical courses before you continue to try to proselytize the DIR approach to diving. And BTW, the curse words do extremely little to improve your presentation. Take care and dive safe, Scott Some weeks it's just not worth the effort to gnaw through the restraints and scramble up out of the pit. In a message dated 8/14/01 4:32:01 AM, email@re*.co*.au* writes: << on 8/14/01 1:07 PM, ScottBonis@ao*.co* wrote: > Could you please tell me a little more about this aspect of the DIR configuration when diving in a wetsuit. C'mon Scott do we REALLY need to have this one again ? No one has any business tech diving and/or in steel doubles in a wetsuit, that is bullshit. You CANNOT dive a balanced rig in a wetsuit The amount of weight you need to get off the surface means you are too negative at depth. If you lose your wings/left post for some reason you will have to swim the rig up. Depending on the weight differential this is not a pretty (or in some cases) possible scenario, especially if you are under stress. The other scenario is you wear a weightbelt. So the shit hits the fan and you have to dump the weight to get off the bottom ... there is NO way you can honour your deco ceiling in this scenario. You will blow up and get a free helicopter ride. The other stroke solution that is sometimes applied here is redundant BC/wings which are also a ridiculous CF. Plus you cannot stay sufficiently warm in a wetsuit on long dives for effective/efficient deco. If you need a 5mm/7mm wetsuit you need a drysuit. KISS rules ! regards *** dean laffan >> -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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