Independents banded as doubles behind your back are as stupid as it is
possible to get. Do you want to debate that with ME, you moron? I love it
when a real stroke shows up on this list. Bring is on.


-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Taylor [mailto:greymouser@mi*.co*]
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 9:16 AM
To: Steve Schultz; Thom Hadfield
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: Independents are not safe.


Don't you just love the nice blanket statements like "Independents are not
safe." that you see on this list.  I guess every side mount cave diver is
just totally "unsafe" then aren't they.  Yes independents have much more of
a cluster fuck problem, yes they have gas management issues and they are
definitely NOT the setup that someone new to diving doubles should be in,
but in certain scenarios they are the "safest" setup.  Just my two cents.

Keith



----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Schultz" <se2schul@st*.ma*.uw*.ca*>
To: "Thom Hadfield" <thom.hadfield@ho*.co*>
Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; "Dean Laffan" <email@re*.co*.au*>
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2001 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: Doubles


>
> Thom,
>
> Bob Sherwood is a GUE instuctor who is likely willing to travel if you can
get a few guys together for the course.  You could also talk to Dan Mackay
from Kingston at Northern Techdiver.  I bet he'd travel for the right price.
Call him 613-6diving.
>
> There are reasons why most serious tech divers use iso-manifolds.
Independants are not safe.  If you TDI friend tells you otherwise, I'd
suggest finding a different instructor to be your mentor.
>
> ss
>
> On Sun, 12 Aug 2001, Thom Hadfield wrote:
>
> >
> > > btw I remember your first posts here some months ago regarding
purchase of
> > > trimix and the flurry of replies asking you to slow down and get
proper
> > > training. Have you been able to get into some training program and
find
> > some
> > > experienced buddies ?
> > >
> > > Please tell me this list is not your primary source of knowledge and
> > advice
> > > for technical diving ?
> > >
> >
> >
> > Yes I have, I dive with an instructor often that is a friend who is
trimix
> > certified and has done a lot of Lake superior and ocean diving. I am
takeing
> > advanced nitrox and deco theory in sept. No this list is not my only
source
> > but Being that there are not a lot of DIR instructores in this area I
bounce
> > other ideas I have spoken with people about off the list for honest
input.
> > In fact in my area most dive shope are TDI. I already know how most
people
> > feel about TDI. I am looking at trimix next summer if I can afford to
> > assemble the apropriate gear and practice with the gear before the end
of
> > next summer. I was looking at using independants on a 115-140(at the
> > deepest)  foot dive using nitrox. And well I have not adapted the long
hose
> > setup yet so I pass a short hose in any event. I also already have 2 spg
so
> > it is not a cost. I am looking into re rigging and diving with a long
hose.
> > I am currently set up with a primary, secondary, octo and spg on each
rig.
> > Which I thought would be a little messy in an independant set up. I
started
> > thinking about an independent setup from an Naui and IANTD instructor
> > suggested it as an option for the dive I mentioned above. I have been
> > patiently looking on ebay for a descent used manifold but I haven't ran
> > across a good deal yet. I do see their are more drawbacks than I had
> > originally thought about. As far as do i use this list for my soul tech
> > diving advice NO but I like to take in all the info and opinions I have
> > acess to. But I also relise opinions are like asshole, everybody has
one. SO
> > you have to sort through ands take some with a grain of salt. Again for
> > those that want to through flames I already understand that independants
> > aren;t the best way to acomplish a dive. But I was recongnising the fact
the
> > iso's arent the only way.
> >
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