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Jim, How many times do I have to tell you. You gotta quit beating around the bush and just come out and say how you really feel about an issue and quit worrying about hurting someone else's feelings! And for the love of Mike, boy, show some passion ! <VBG> Semi-seriously, the only reason I can see for using a Y or an H valve is to maintain the same regulator configuration for your singles that you have with your doubles. That's why I bought 3, Y valves. I even stuck one in a tank and dove it once. Haven't dove a single tank since. Cost issue? Sea Elite iso manifold new costs $169 + $30 for rubber knobs & springs. Most folks have two tanks. Can you get a new Y valve for under $100? I know a new H valve costs more than that. So the Y or H valving for two single tanks will cost you more than an iso manifold for a set of doubles! Hmmmmm. Glad I bought my Y valves used! Look out E-bay here I come! Hey bidder, bida bida, bida, bida, bida...... Dave Dalton Disclaimer: The above represents only "my-never-to-be-humble-opinion". If it offends anyone, in any way who is bigger or meaner than me, I will not only retract it at once, but will happily swear under oath that I never said it! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Cobb" <cobber@ci*.co*> To: <techdiver@aquanaut.com> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 1:30 PM Subject: H/Y valves, Pony bottles, Invisible demons. > I repeat I have nothing to do with GUE or DIR. > > > 1) Smaller profile > > To do what, wreck penetrations? And I can also state that a proper set of > doubles has less of a horizontal hight than a single any day of the week. > > > 2) Reduced weight > > That's funny when I'm underwater (you do dive don't you?) I cannot seem to > tell the difference in weight. > > > 3) Decreased drag > > Can you prove this? I doubt the difference is worth noting when you consider > all the other crap, lights, gear bags, etc. > > > 4) Readily available > > I can drive down to the dive shop and purchase a set of doubles right now if > I want. > > > 5) Reduced space requirements > > So you have 2 tanks separate or together, don't understand your reasoning > here. They take up the same room > > > 6) KISS: Keep It Simple, Stupid > > My whole point with bagging the H or Y valve. > > Good Lord I have not seen such frothing at the mouth since the last time I > said that pony bottles were crap. Pony bottles and H/Y valves are psudo-tech > bullshit and you bone-heads out there need to pull your heads out of your > asses and try a set of doubles, you bunch of fucking cheapskates. Doubles > are redundant flasks of air connected by an isolator valve. H/Y valves and > Pony bottles are just you guys fighting with invisible demons. Preparing > most for the disasters that are least likely to happen. > > Reg failures are exceeding rare. Needing more air than you've got all the > time. So what do you bozos do? Do nothing about your air supply and strap on > 2 regulators. That really makes sense. And then you defend this shit to the > death. > > There are always particular circumstances for this or that. Ice diving may > be one of them, I don't know as I've never done it. But the point is that > putting a H/Y valve or strapping a pony does not a techdiver make. > > Doubles are balanced, redundant, comfortable (both on the surface and in the > water) and anybody who says otherwise has not tried a set of properly setup > doubles. > > And for those of you who travel, simple, don't overhead dive. There is > nothing down there worth dieing for, why take the risk? > > Jim > > > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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