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Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 08:45:36 +0300
From: "Manos Manoli" <cytech@ma*.co*.cy*>
To: Matthias Voss <mat.voss@t-*.de*>
CC: Ed Street <blacknet@ph*.ne*>, rfuller@te*.ne*,
     techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: people are supposed to die
Matthias, good morning

Can you pls ask Mark how does his support diver knows that he
has switched to the correct gas ? no MOD on his tanks !!
Can you also ask him to give us one single reason why to have
boods on stage tanks ? Have a look at his doubles !!
On one tank there is TRIMIX sticker and on the other
tank a NITROX sticker !!! Why doesn't he have a light
strope on his shoulder to be a complete christmas tree ??

>>> There are pretty light steel bottles around here.<<

That is what i always used to say until i tried Alu80.
I have checkout more than 20 different stages.
Nothing swims along from the beginning of the dive to
the end like an Alu 80. I used to hate it when i sold brand new
steels to buy a proper stages.

Poseidon's , difficult to be serviced, thank God i never owned
one but i have a friend who use to send it annually to UK for service
,special parts , special hoses , unique intermediate pressures, bla bla bla you
cannot reach the  2nd stage membrane without tools ,off bleeding when supply
pressure drops below 40 bar as you already said ! And the story goes on !!
Also i have read  reviews which claim that performance wise they dont get
close to some classic performers !!  Scubapro or Apeks is the way to go  ???

You see Matthias what really gets me !!! Those chest beaters are the guys who
show up on Dive Shows as Guest and they lecture people on their gear .
Funny enough i met another guy name Mark on last years London Dive Show
he was lecturing how did he get to 80m on air and you should see his set-up !!!
The guy had ball Valves on his double blader wing inflators in case air was
injected

violently in his wings !!!! And you should see all this people sitting there
listening.
I wanted to throw up !!!

And the story goes on !! And people die !! and the call it another Heart Attack
!!!

Rgds Manos Manoli
www.smiley.cy.net/cytech



Matthias Voss wrote:

> Manos,
> while most of your observations are correct, you may have missed some of
> the good reasons why to choose which gear.
>
> The operational flaw of the poseidon regs is that you cannot reach the
> 2nd stage membrane without tools.
> This is an issue when you have to deposit and leave bottles at sites
> where silt and dirt entering the reg can create a problem, really not
> that much , if at all, on  a single dive to a wreck.
> A likely flaw of the poseidon jetstream is offbleeding when supply
> pressure drops below , say 40 bar. should not be a problem unles you
> call for it.
>
> Same goes for the clipping. No silt, dirt, corrosion( hopefully), no
> clipping to vital parts which won't come off under stress, probably no
> problem . I agree it should be a direktive to be able to  loosen any
> connection made with means on hand durng the dive, though.
>
> For the stages, do you know the manufacturer, and their bouancy
> properties ? For sure ?
> There are pretty light steel bottles around here.
> Matthias
>
> Manos Manoli schrieb:
> >
> > My GOD look at this guys ,  to be a stroke or no to be !!!
> > Inspiration rebreathers , Steel stages on each side , OMS type wings ,
> > Poseidon's regulators, handheld Lights ,  Hardware clips , Carbines , you
name
> > it !!
> > On their doubles BIIG stickers  T R I M I X.  Boodies on stages !! No
markings
> > on stages !!!!! And they claim records and people have them as reference
!!!.
> >
> > >>Besides the worlds record deepest cold water dive<<
> > What is this b#%#t ....
> >
> > Christmas time is getting close anyway !!!!!
> >
> > Manos Manoli
> > www.smiley.cy.net/cytech
> >
> > For those idiots that didnt get it yet
> >
> > Ed Street wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > LOL! words of wisdom.  Tho when I dive in 50°F + water I don't use a
hood.
> > > If it's cold enough for me to wear a hood it's to cold for me to dive! ;)
I
> > > didn't notice the no hood thing nor did I get the water temp.
> > >
> > > Ed
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rob Fuller [mailto:rfuller@te*.ne*]
> > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 1:07 AM
> > > To: 'Ed Street'; techdiver@aquanaut.com
> > > Subject: RE: This is inspiration diving and people are supposed to die
> > >
> > > Ed,
> > >
> > > I know nothing about the Inspiration units so I'm not going to enter that
> > > discussion.
> > >
> > > However, I *do* know something about cold water diving.  Anybody that
would
> > > dive in cold water, not to mention one that's 170m deep with huge
> > > decompression obligations, without wearing a hood is brain-dead.
> > >
> > > Since the only bareheaded person in the pics was the one with the
> > > Inspiration unit there might be something to this :-)
> > >
> > > --Rob
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Ed Street [mailto:blacknet@ph*.ne*]
> > > Sent: 8.Jul.2001 8:15 AM
> > > To: techdiver@aquanaut.com
> > > Subject: RE: This is inspiration diving and people are supposed to die
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > Someone wanna tell me why alot of ppl here doesn't like the inspiration
> > > units?  From what  I've seen on them and the people i've talked to who
uses
> > > that unit they good units.  The only negativity i've seen was from this
> > > list.
> > >
> > > Besides the worlds record deepest cold water dive to the HMS Dasher
aircraft
> > > carrier included an inspiration on the dive team, but they didn't use DIR
> > > (Died In Recompression) so I don't expect anyone here to understand it. 
For
> > > those of you with open minds here's the link to the memorial service they
> > > conducted http://www.technicaldivers.com/hms_dasher.html
> > >
> > > Ed
> > >
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